Posted on 01/26/2024 4:09:18 AM PST by RandFan
Before modern times almost all crimes had the death penalty. That’s because everyone worked and if they didn’t work and weren’t taken care of by family then they died. There were no prisons, not for ordinary crimes or ordinary people. The movies we see about ancient times where they have dark, dank prisons with the obligatory skeleton hanging in an iron maiden are pure Hollywood. There may have been a few like that but they’d have been very much the exception rather than the rule. What this dearth of prisons resulted in was a lot of death penalties. Do this crime, get killed for it. The executions were public and occasions much like a county fair with vendors selling products. These festive occasions enforced on the people that those in charge were in charge and violating their rules was going to get you killed.
During the Industrial Revolution society got much wealthier. People became educated and those running society took on the Christian evangelical need to convert those who had strayed back to the path of righteousness. They built prisons. After some time, they tried to improve the prisons to improve recidivism. Enlightened people, and that’s definitely us because we are wearing wigs, don’t kill people for small crimes. The prison system was a massive failure.
Today it costs as much to keep someone in prison as it does to send them to Harvard. I’d argue it’s time to look at how we deter crime as the system we have now is like the world’s most expensive finishing school for crime PhD’s. But just killing people who are clearly a danger to others makes perfect sense to me, especially if it saves society the cost of a Harvard crime education where the student never graduates…and if he does, he kills someone. Probably the reason we don’t have capital punishment is due to Hollywood and a relative few but widely publicized failures of the criminal justice system.
2. I have no confidence in our so-called “criminal justice” system anymore — so I don’t believe most state and Federal courts have the moral authority to even put people in jail, let alone execute them.
Nitrogen, the pure gas, is inert—a carrier gas for other constituent gases in our atmospheric air.
Had thought it constituted 70 percent of ordinary atmospheric air but other commenters are saying 80 percent.
As gases go, it’s neutral. CO2 and oxygen drive the bus. When oxygen is purged from what you’re breathing, you asphyxiate.
Perhaps you can’t even properly form or exhale CO2, because there is no oxygen on the input side? And so perhaps the lack of either oxygen or CO2 buildup in the bloodstream causes the giddyness you mention? Like SCOTUS nominee Ketanji Brown-Jackson, This Guy is “not a biologist”.
The left also has no problem with ripping unborn babies apart in the womb.
Bring back hanging.
It’s still the best way.
We look for high tech gimmicks to pretend away an ugly act.
If you’re going to do this, hanging (by breaking the neck) is still a fast, reliable, little and short pain if any, cheap and clean way to do it.
Everything else doesn’t work as well: electrocution, firing squad, lethal injection, guillotine (abroad), gas chamber, or now nitrogen.
“Any form of democrat approved capital punishment is too lenient.”
The only form of capital punishment dims approve of is abortion. Hey have no problem with that. But execute a murderer and it’s cruel.
My 2 cents: They could always go through a procedure of execution and as they start strapping them in, pop a cap in the back of the head, quick, painless, done. Often much swifter and painless than their victims received.
Completely false premise, stop playing into the game. Murder is wrong, the man executed was a murderer, he committed murder which is the unjustified death of an innocent individual.
This murderer was not innocent, and he was not murdered, he was executed for his crime, it was justified via a voted set of laws, and tried with a process also accepted by the society overall
Killing is not murder, killing can be murder or it can be justified.
Time to first stop such arguments and insist they come to the debate honestly and acknowledge that this man was a murderer and he was not murdered. Then debate the concept of justified and unjustified killing.
I would also prefer no one be executed but some people are so heinous they leave society little option. However to conflate their execution as an equally unjustified act as the horrible murder they committed is morally reprehensible and evil at the core.
There is a death penalty everywhere and all the time. When some one is murdered, there is death and it is a 'penalty' to the one murdered, as the victim 'pays' with his life. The murdered and the murderer should bear the same cost.
There should be no problem with being very cautious in the application of a "state" death penalty, but such a penalty is not unjust in a world where the murderer has proven himself unjust.
Several bullets or an immediate broken neck from hanging would be more humane? Or just call it a post-birth abortion and dump the remains in a dumpster.
Before you quote Gandhi again do some research, he believed it was better an entire village or even country suffer genocide over the use of any violence.
He did not advocate what many assume to be of him.
His core philosophy was heartless and amoral at best, that required good men to stand by idly while evil people murder and even commit genocide.
Is this the Jew-hater David Icke?
It may not be fair and I know it is not contributing to the discussion, but I read “David Icke” and recognize that he is the guy who says the Earth is hollow and inside the hollow earth live Reptile-Humans, who run everything.
I have heard the rebuttals of “what about what he says now?”, but I always stop paying attention after I hear this name of reptile-hollow-earth guy.
Plainly, death penalty opponents would prefer to have the condemned suffer than lose the argument that the method of execution causes suffering. The dishonesty of that repels me into indifference as to whether the condemned suffer.
As for moral justifications, there are primarily two: deterrence and moral rebalancing (eye for an eye). There is both logic and empiric evidence in favor of deterrence. In addition, the death penalty also helps to assure capture and trial instead of de facto executions by cops or those close to the victim.
Finally, it is worth noting that when the death penalty gets abolished, it commonly follows that, as in England, the use of deadly force in self defense soon also becomes illegal. That leads to the perverse result that violent felons are protected against resistance by their victims. And to accomplish that, the private ownership and use of guns for self defense is prohibited as well.
In the end, the imposition of the death penalty is so exceptionally rare that the argument is less about the few cases in which it is imposed but about the moral calculus of crime and punishment. Personally, I am willing to kill in defense of myself or others and, if the law is not a factor, I am also willing to kill in retribution. In proper cases, the death penalty is a good thing.
Kill them in the same manner as they killed their victims, perhaps?
Shot your victim multiple times? You get shot multiple times.
Stabbed your victim? You get stabbed.
Ran them ove with a bulldozed? Well, you get the picture.
Speaking of deranged, Icke thinks the world is run by shape shifting lizards. Not as a metaphor. Actual lizards.
Why not just OD them on fentanyl? There certainly is an abundance of the stuff.
Why not anesthetize then execute? They’ll never feel a thing so the left won’t be able to complain about cruelty and suffering (as if they cared).
More on the crime
Three men were convicted
Parker executed 2010
Williams..died in prison.
Now Smith ….finally ends it for the family
https://www.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/alabama_supreme_court_declines.html
They want the cruelty and suffering....it is useful to their agenda.
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