Posted on 01/26/2024 4:09:18 AM PST by RandFan
@davidicke
Authority is the 'moral high ground'? Wife of killer Kenneth Eugene Smith 'cried out' during his historic 22-minute-long nitrogen execution - which witness described as 'horrific' as he thrashed and 'convulsed' on gurney.
Since I was a small kid, when capital punishment was still legal in the UK, I have felt it was sick and ridiculous to say killing is wrong and so we are killing you for killing. It's mentally deranged.
But doing it this way means that those who sanctioned it should be certified.
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I'm interested to hear views on this.
Do you follow "eye for an eye" in these cases or do you think the death penalty is too much?
How Soviet Union of you, David.
Institutionalize your political enemies and "wrong-thinkers".
For what it’s worth most people in the UK according to polls would bring it back in specific cases (murder of children especially)
Over 50%+
The fact that Leftists only oppose Capital Punishment because it PREVENTS them from eventually getting killers released from jail is a good enough reason for me to support it.
If you don’t believe the above consider some examples:
1. The Left had NO PROBLEM with the Oklahoma City bomber being executed. Not saying he didn’t deserve it, just pointing out their their objection is ‘situational’.
2. The has NO PROBLEM calling for the execution of Kyle Rittenhouse, Trump, and the Jan 6th tourists - again, ‘situational’ ethics regarding their objections.
So, given the above, no way will I ever oppose the Death Penalty.
How long did it take for Smith to kill his victim?
Any form of democrat approved capital punishment is too lenient.
Bring back the gallows, the firing squad, the dunking chair, the guillotine, any thing to deter senseless criminal behavior which has beset us.
With biden’z border door barred open as it is
the situation can only get worse.
There seems to be no fear of our judicial system.
I prefer they get tortured until near death. And then when they heal, torture some more, especially if they are Deep State globalist. /spit
I belive i n Caputal Punishment as a deterrant.
In Canada where I temporarily reside, thelack of Capital Punishment has resulted in a rise in the murder/manslaughter rates.
THe most one can get is life , most murder convictions result in a maximum of 25 years with the oissibulity of early parole unless it was a hate crime.Very bad deterrence.
Modern chemical executions are cruel , the best way is execution by hanging, the long drop.Its over just like that
in a snap.Second best is execution by firing squad. Its over in an instant.
But if yiu want to make a murder suffer on their journey to hell, chemical execution is wonderful.
The left has no issue fanatically demanding the murder of babies but when it comes to a monster like Kenneth Eugene Smith, out come the crocodile tears. I guess the left feels kinship with killers.
Death is the only just punishment for murder.
Icke is deranged.
The finality and certainty of a verdict of capital punishment can and does serve to focus the mind.
When the time comes for these individuals to confess, do penance, and die as believing Catholics, that’s what they need to do.
There’s a moral difference between “ killing innocents” and “ the death penalty as justice for taking innocent life”
Killing innocents is a loss for society
The death penalty as a potential deterrent is a gain for society
The death penalty that removes a threat of future violence against innocents from a psychopath or sociopath killer is a gain for society
Killing in war has been deemed as morally justifiable for the greater good. The same argument could be made for executing humans who fail to act human and kill innocents. Though I think the method should be hanging, or by the same means as the victim was killed. Killer’s choice.
If judges and juries truly applied life sentences without parole, it could replace execution. But they don’t. The bleeding hearts are their own worst enemies,
As a side note, I watched a show years ago about Dr. Jack Kevorkian, I forget the name of it. But in it, they went through various methods of ending life looking for which method was the most humane and at the end it came out that inhaling nitrogen was. They claim it makes the person feel giddy and they used something having to do with diving as an example. I am assuming this is why they used nitrogen to kill this guuy.
I am reminded of:
“An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.” — M. K. Gandhi
hell if one refused to be “gene therapized” during the recent unpleasantness one would find oneself on the receiving end of fervent and immediate wishes for one’s brutal death
I think HIV/AIDS is exactly the biological equivalent of having NO “death penalty.”
State-sponsored execution is legitimate use of force. It’s the state acting as agency for the injured who, in many cases, was unable to or disallowed from defending themself with appropriate lethal force (via “gun control” laws, for example).
This is no different from “putting down” or “euthanizing” (or whatever touchy-feely euphemism du jour makes the necessity more palatable) dogs that attack and harm humans without provocation.
The fact that such a heinous, egregious act has been committed by another - albeit deranged, sociopathic or otherwise diagnosable “mentally ill” - ostensibly human being just makes the execution all the more urgent.
Get that rabid animal out of the gene pool so the rest of us can swim safely.
THAT has been my take on it since before high school and I stand by it now over 50 years later.
"The clause in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.[4]
The clause in Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.[5]"
The article then elaborates how the Fifth Amendment refers to federal law and the Fourteenth Amendment refers to state laws.
So, if due process is followed, life may be taken from a person according to federal and state laws.
“An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.”
Trite. Gandhi was a doofus. He probably wrote greeting cards for Hallmark.
Letter to Studius (Letter XXV)
Excerpt:
“This letter of St. Ambrose to Studius, written in the 360s, is addressed to what scholars take to be a lay Christian who was conflicted about his office as a judge in a capital case, and his duty as a Christian. Prior to the end of the persecutions in 313 with the Edict of Milan, Christians did not undertake such offices, though St. Ambrose alludes to a distinction between how the Church and heretical groups treated Christian judges who did.”
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/ambrose-letter-to-studius-14630
I belive i n Caputal Punishment as a deterrant.
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Bingo!
Incarceration as a punishment for crimes has some side benefits, most notably protecting the public from dangerous people by isolating them from the population, but there is no true ‘rehabilitation’ and there are no ‘corrections’. The real purpose of prison is deterrence.
Capital punishment may be called punishment, but what it used to do was scare criminals straight.
Deterrence is why crime goes down in legal carry states.
Deterrence is why home invasions up in places where guns are illegal.
Deterrence is why some ex-cons will run and even fight rather than get arrested again if they are wanted.
Deterrence is the reason why crime goes up in catch-and-release (liberal DA) jurisdictions.
Deterrence works on most bad people. Not all, but most.
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