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Is an AR-15 Sig Series 400 with 30-round clips of 5.56 NATO, better than a 12-gauge for home defense in the U.S. against the kinds of attacks we saw in Israel?
Sig Sauer ^ | October 12, 2023 | Self

Posted on 10/12/2023 7:32:51 AM PDT by 4Runner

Having an argument with the wife, she doesn't want to spend the extra money. Anywhere from $1,000 on up.


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To: ansel12
Due, perhaps, to the M 1 Garand’s use of en bloc clips to reload.
161 posted on 10/12/2023 9:23:27 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: ping jockey

Don’t forget the expensive ammo.😀


162 posted on 10/12/2023 9:25:23 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: Magnum44

Choices... we all make them.

She’d be fine. I’m a surgeon with a shotgun... Not a Tom Knapp, but I’d go up against most folks on falling plate with my A5 and be competitive.

3-gun teaches you a lot about your gear and your capabilities.


163 posted on 10/12/2023 9:25:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: kawhill

And a Fanny pack full of shells so you load on the fly.


164 posted on 10/12/2023 9:26:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Paul46360

Double ought buckshot will go through Sheetrock at close range like a knife through butter.


165 posted on 10/12/2023 9:27:41 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SirFishalot

But it takes a lot more spackle to patch the holes!


166 posted on 10/12/2023 9:28:19 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Rinnwald
“ I would gently suggest that a .308 battle rifle is not the optimal defensive choice for your average person.”

Just practice a bit. It will penetrate soft body armor. Black tip ammo will penetrate a plate carrier.

167 posted on 10/12/2023 9:30:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: gundog

If that was it then it had everyone using the word “clip” pretty much until the last 20 years or so.

I think the internet created this big thing about correcting people for saying clip.


168 posted on 10/12/2023 9:31:08 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: nonliberal

Sig Romeo 5 red dot is very reasonable...$119 at Palmetto State. (Pre-tax and shipping probably)


169 posted on 10/12/2023 9:31:39 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: Jeff Vader

“go to palmetto state armory and get a perfectly good home defense AR15 pattern rifle for about 1/2 of that and spend the rest on ammo and training”
Thats the correct answer.
A 223 shooting 50 or 55 grain soft points will stop anybody. Plus, the recoil is so light follow up shots are quick.


170 posted on 10/12/2023 9:33:29 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: jjotto
The Arad is pretty cool - it's essentially a very well re engineered and more integrated version of the Israeli's favorite weapon - a short barreled M-16. Personally not a fan of the very short barrel AR rifle configuration, but the Israelis seem to love them for some reason.

The IWI X95 is an outstanding rifle for all around, general defense purposes, especially if you are starting fresh and don't have a lot of prior experience using the AR or AK series of rifles that you need to unlearn.

It's compact for use in close quarters and cars and it fits nicely in a back pack if you need it to. With a 16 in barrel, it's a lot better at longer ranges and it's a lot more lethal at all ranges than a short barrel AR.

171 posted on 10/12/2023 9:33:46 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Magnum44

>If you practice and establish your pattern at several distances

For this sort of reason I side with those who recommend Federal Flitecontrol or Hornady’s Critical Defense/TAP. Since it’s not really a magic cone at home distances, one might as well get that good tight pattern.

That and a dot + 32MOA circle properly zeroed — unless our theoretical perp has exactly the same build as our theoretical kid, he’s in serious trouble. Take Kyle vs. Gaige Grosskreutz for an example; the close range 5.56 hit ripped the bicep, but a load of 00 buck?

Anyway as I wrote back there someplace ‘both’ is the best answer.

(On the agreeing side, practice is important for all. I’ve seen people (repeatedly) miss pie plates with their ARs at 25 yards, and miss a sheet of paper at 7 with their red-dotted handgun.)


172 posted on 10/12/2023 9:37:17 AM PDT by No.6
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To: Manic_Episode

Yeah, but even charging one can be a chore for smaller people, or women.


173 posted on 10/12/2023 9:40:28 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: 4Runner

Don’t risk buying the wrong one. Get them all! God Bless Texas


174 posted on 10/12/2023 9:43:46 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it.........)
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To: BenLurkin

OK, now that is funny.


175 posted on 10/12/2023 9:44:11 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: oldasrocks

Just don’t fall in the pool.


176 posted on 10/12/2023 9:46:42 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: 4Runner
There were a number of different tactical scenarios in play in Israel, so the answer is either going to be purchase all the guns (that's my solution) or find a compromise. The scenario where a gang of these clowns sauntering down the street without a care in the world, kicking doors in, is exceedingly rare, and if there had been one defender with one shot and one terr body in the street it would have instantly changed. Engaging one in a dark hallway inside is a completely different scenario. Unsurprisingly, the solutions will be different.

It's all about skill level and what you want to shoot often enough to attain and maintain a proficiency that will be up to the test. One old codger with a lever-action 30-30 who knows what he's doing beats a squad of wannabes with the latest battle rattle and no practice. So don't look at your choice from the point of view of the potential target, look at it from your own: what do you like to shoot enough to get and stay good? Same question for your wife. They'll likely be different answers.

177 posted on 10/12/2023 9:46:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Rappini

5.56 is easier to find


178 posted on 10/12/2023 9:47:34 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Talked with my son just this morning. My son said his wife is ready to get something. Wanted to know what I thought. Pistol or rifle? I told him get both.


179 posted on 10/12/2023 9:47:41 AM PDT by dwg2
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Having this discussion makes me want to check out something besides weapons and that is defense points, weapon access and lighting.

First weapon safety as each of us needs to evaluate children visitors or residents and weapon security in light of the same.

After that, it is a review of doors and lock, alarms, lighting and what weapons are stored near what defensible points. Is there a weapon accessible near your places you might be looking for one? Near your bed? Your desk? Your favorite chair?

If entry is attempted, do you have a weapon and defense point positioned for that entry. What about light on the target. What about automatic lighting?

Many of us haven’t properly pre-positioned weapons and ammo and now would be a good time to consider same based upon what we already have. EAP (Equipment Acquisition Paralysis) often gets our wants and priorities mixed up.


180 posted on 10/12/2023 9:48:16 AM PDT by KC Burke
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