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Is an AR-15 Sig Series 400 with 30-round clips of 5.56 NATO, better than a 12-gauge for home defense in the U.S. against the kinds of attacks we saw in Israel?
Sig Sauer ^ | October 12, 2023 | Self

Posted on 10/12/2023 7:32:51 AM PDT by 4Runner

Having an argument with the wife, she doesn't want to spend the extra money. Anywhere from $1,000 on up.


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To: 4Runner
I like the 12ga with #4buck... it's a real crowd pleaser.. :)
141 posted on 10/12/2023 8:59:20 AM PDT by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: 4Runner

Keep in mind that in the scenario you propose, the opponents had ARs or AKs. Engaging them as far away as possible would be desirable.


142 posted on 10/12/2023 8:59:44 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: 4Runner
A shotgun is great for close quarters but it has limited range and a low ammo capacity unless you are very skilled at using one.

The AR-15 is great for general purpose defense use especially at longer ranges. It would be a much better choice in a defense situation similar to what was seen in the Hamas attacks.

For overall defense purposes an Israeli IMI Tavor X-95 is probably the best if you have not proper experience.

Much more compact than a AR-15 so better in close quarters.

A Palmetto State AR-15 is just as good of quality as a Sig 400 at a lower price point if you go the AR route.

144 posted on 10/12/2023 9:02:50 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: 4Runner

12ga. Loaded alternately buck, slug, buck, slug.....Slugs will penetrate body armor w/o trauma plates.


145 posted on 10/12/2023 9:03:34 AM PDT by Right Brother (Pray for God's intervention to stop UMCRevMom's invasion of Free Republic)
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To: MachIV

CORRECTION: 20” BARREL, NOT 10”


146 posted on 10/12/2023 9:03:53 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: 4Runner

Well, you get 9 rounds with your Mossberg tactical shotgun or 30 rounds with your AR so you tell me. 😏


147 posted on 10/12/2023 9:04:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SirFishalot

Correction: 20” barrel, not 10”.


148 posted on 10/12/2023 9:05:13 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: ansel12

A lot of guys don’t know that back when the men were all WWII vets and Korean War vets and the young ones were fighting in Vietnam and everyone kept guns on display in the cabinet in their living rooms and hunting was common, we all just called
our magazines “clips”


Yup. Guess that dates me


149 posted on 10/12/2023 9:06:37 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Manic_Episode
Same rifle, only better. American made with German tooling.

Avoid Century Arms builds.

151 posted on 10/12/2023 9:10:14 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: SirFishalot

“it will destroy anybody or thing in front of it up to 25” away...’

I hope you meant feet not inches, because I really don’t want to get that close.


152 posted on 10/12/2023 9:15:22 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I support LGBTQ. (Lets Get Biden to Quit.))
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To: 4Runner

I suggest the “Keltec Sub2000 Folding/Pistol Caliber/Carbine” (hinged) that uses Glock 40 S&W magazines, along with any of the Glocks that accept 40 cal (I prefer the Glock 22 standard frame). Load up a bunch of mags and hide the mags throughout the home.

The Sub2000 folds in half and fits into drawers, nightstands, etc. It’s super easy to point and shoot, and is pretty accurate.


153 posted on 10/12/2023 9:15:48 AM PDT by Bvpoot
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To: rdcbn1

I see that Israelis living in Samaria have purchased hundreds of IWI Arad rifles.
It’s a kind of export alternative to the Tavor X95. The Arad was apparently more immediate available. Modular design that is versatile and compact.


154 posted on 10/12/2023 9:16:51 AM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Right Brother

Yep, that’s how I load mine, but I go slug, double ought buck, slug, etc. Always figured the first bad guy was going to be wearing body armor. A twelve gauge slug at point blank range might not kill him, but it sure as hell is going to put him down. Rack the slide and double ought will take care of the problem.


155 posted on 10/12/2023 9:17:52 AM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: Dead Corpse

Ouch, thats cold.


156 posted on 10/12/2023 9:18:29 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

I’ve also done the work, and COULD take that shot. I’d still rather take it with a carbine. I practice way more with the carbine than with the shotgun.


157 posted on 10/12/2023 9:19:37 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: gundog

My experience has been pure joy. I call her Vera.


158 posted on 10/12/2023 9:20:04 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I was waiting for someone to bring up recoil. Also, the husband may be out of town and the wife is the only one there. As others have said, there are cheaper ar-15 options.


159 posted on 10/12/2023 9:21:00 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: 4Runner

Do you actually expect to have gun-pickup trucks invading your home/neighborhood loaded with terrorists packing automatic weapons, grenades and RPGs?

Go with what’s the simplest possible for the most likely circumstance.

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend an AR to anyone that isn’t likely to put in the real time it would take for them to be proficient with it.


160 posted on 10/12/2023 9:22:31 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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