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The primaries are over before they even begun.

As I've said repeatedly on this forum, I live in the real world and not in fantasyland.

Well, here's the real world slapping us all in the face. The GOP nomination belongs to Donald Trump.

That's just how it is.

1 posted on 09/08/2023 9:20:57 PM PDT by Drew68
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In normal times, yes DeSantis makes sense.

These are not normal times.


2 posted on 09/08/2023 9:23:41 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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DeSantis made a huge mistake by not waiting until 2028.

He could’ve had DJT’s endorsement, and probably sailed into the White House.


3 posted on 09/08/2023 9:25:15 PM PDT by BrexitBen
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It's not over until its over. It is Trump now, 24x7, and no one is going to be able to break that except Trump. But we've got 129 days until the first caucuses and primaries, nearly a year until t he convention. Will Trump be able to sustain his narcissistic martyrdom schtick until then? Hardcore Always Trump supports may stick with him but will anyone else? At some point the election needs to be about the future not revenge for a lost election (yes, stolen, but Trump failed to hire good attorneys and failed to pay for recounts, so he let that slip away.).

I'll stick with DeSantis now, he has room to improve, starting with getting rid of Jeff Roe and Christina Pushaw. In any case, among the folks competing for the nomination, he is still the best and most outstanding choice.

4 posted on 09/08/2023 9:28:43 PM PDT by Reno89519 (DeSantis 2024. Successful Governor, Honorable Veteran, Respectful, Respected. No Baggage, No Drama.)
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I don’t agree that Desantis is a poor campaigner. I think that the 4 indictments have won Trump an impenetrable sympathy vote among Republican voters. In my opinion that is bad judgement by those voters, and we all will pay a heavy price for it.


5 posted on 09/08/2023 9:28:58 PM PDT by devere
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Spent $35million/mo becoming unelectable in a race over 12months ago.

The better man whom’s campaign was another billionaire bankrolled get Trump epic failure.


6 posted on 09/08/2023 9:29:27 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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Desantis NEVER had a shot.. None of the other also rans ever had a shot.

The primaries were cemented on Jan 7, 2021. As long as Trump decided to run, he was the nominee... anyone telling you anything else has been either flat out lying to you, or fully ignorant of reality.

All I can say personally is thank God he chose to run, the crowd running this time are even more pathetic than the batch running against him 2016.

In 2016 you could excuse them for not recognizing that the politicqal realities had shifted... the voters had pretty much followed their script for decades, the establishment/uniparty/globalists, had absolutely no reason to think 2016 would be any different, so just keep pushing the same old tired policies and rhetoric of Bush/Rove/Cheney et al.

In 2023, to still be pretending that reality has not changed, and realize just how far away from your base you actually are is flat out inexcusable.

DeSantis, was foolish to run... he voluntarily took himself from being an almost certain frontrunner in 2028, to likely never ever being able to be a serious national candidate with this absolutely abysmal and stupid campaign.

The establishment primary field is a clown show, and just prove daily why Trump will be the choice. Tucker destroyed every one of them with largely softball and simple questions... because what they stand for and want, has little if anything to do with where the electorate is. They are all just puppets for the money men, and its utterly obvious whenever they are asked even the most basic questions.

Hell they had a “debate” if you can call that circus a debate, and not a single question about election integrity was brought up... why? Simple, the uniparty doesn’t want election integrity, they don’t care, they just want control... Just like no one would be talking about illegals, the border, free trade, or any of the other things Trump ran on in 16, because he could.. no other candidate was going to touch that, no matter how bad those things were killing this country because the money men backing them wanted them.

Had Trump decided not to run, well the discussion would be different, but he did, and the minute he did the race was over.. Folks aren’t going to abandon Trump for any of these jokers, and reality is if any of these jokers are the nominee, Much of Trump’s supporters will simply stay home.

Trump was and is the only candidate with an R beside his name that has ANY real shot at winning the general election, his base is far larger than the GOP base, and is far far more enthusiastic. No other R can remotely bring in the votes Trump can, and those that claim otherwise... well they are just lying or willfully ignorant.


8 posted on 09/08/2023 9:34:36 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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I attended one of DeSantis’ early events after announcing. Despite the Trump BS, he was engaging, detailed, and well-received. Yes, different than entertainer Trump. I’ve attended 5-6 of Trump’s events. I’ve watched many of both—too much time as I can almost quote their common statements and stories. Anyway, DeSantis is a breadth of fresh air, presidential. I am happy to support him, a fellow veteran.


10 posted on 09/08/2023 9:35:05 PM PDT by Reno89519 (DeSantis 2024. Successful Governor, Honorable Veteran, Respectful, Respected. No Baggage, No Drama.)
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DeSantis took himself out by his hubris. He didn’t do his due diligence in determining if he was ready for the Presidency. I like him, so I have nothing against him. He just wasn’t ready. He should have been been spending from now until 2028 prepping to be bigger and see how he goes.

Another term as Governor and he might have been ready.


11 posted on 09/08/2023 9:40:13 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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Gov. D pulled the election trigger to soon. SIMPLE AS THAT!


13 posted on 09/08/2023 9:41:29 PM PDT by teletech (you)
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The nomination has ALWAYS BELONGED TO TRUMP….PERIOD.


14 posted on 09/08/2023 9:42:20 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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I certainly appreciate your honesty and objectivity.

I’ve been very skeptical about DeSantis for a long time. Unfortunately for him, a lot of it is because he has many characteristics that remind me of feckless GOP losers from the past.

And none of what I’ve said really has anything to do with his skills on the campaign trail. I can’t really measure him objectively in that regard because I haven’t watched more than two minutes of his campaign appearances since the start of 2023.

17 posted on 09/08/2023 9:44:50 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”)
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Reality didn’t slap me in the face. I knew this all along.


20 posted on 09/08/2023 9:51:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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A breath of fresh air, not a slap in the face.


22 posted on 09/08/2023 9:51:26 PM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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It is incomprehensible to me how so many people on the right STILL believe the national polls when they have a history that proves they are ALWAYS wrong.

They were wrong in 2008, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022, and they are wrong today, because they are not conducted to reflect public opinion, but to shape public opinion.

In an election year, polls are only used for propaganda to try and sway the electorate. And it appears that their propaganda has worked on you.

You have to look at the internals of a poll to find out how accurate or inaccurate it is, and this latest WSJ poll is an utter scam.

The WSJ hired a PAID TRUMP POLLSTER, Tony Fabrizio, to conduct their poll!

Their poll is based primarily on “registered” voters which is never an accurate way of determining a poll. And the “likely” voters is only 300 when you need a minimum of 800 likely voters to be anywhere near reliable.

Although 50% of voters consider themselves Independent, their poll showed only 13% as being Independent, which is absurd.

Inside their poll it showed that 47% of primary voters “Could change mind and vote for someone else.”

Stop believing the RINOs at the WSJ because they’re trying to discourage DeSantis and his voters because they consider him too conservative.

I strongly disagree Trump has the momentum. He has no ground game whatsoever and DeSantis has a massive ground game in Iowa and New Hampshire. And he’s going to win these two states.


24 posted on 09/08/2023 9:53:04 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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Suppose you were a soldier about to go into a hard battle and had a choice of whom to have as your captain. Would you pick and then follow into combat the new fellow just out of OCS, with a pleasant manner, clean uniform, and unblemished record? Or would you choose the grizzled old veteran, who has a reputation and can set his own men grumbling at times but surely hates and scares the enemy?

No matter what one wants to say about Trump, he surely knows how to fight and scares the Left. Like most of the GOP base, I want Trump to carry the GOP banner in 2024 and to fight our way back to the White House.

28 posted on 09/08/2023 10:01:44 PM PDT by Rockingham
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The ‘real world’ will melt DeSantis like candle wax and make a decoration out of him. Lawn-chair DeSantis has never seen a fraction of the aggression shown to Trump, and DeSantis ‘needs’ to be liked.


29 posted on 09/08/2023 10:01:55 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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I wouldn’t vote for him ever. He’s showed himself to be an arrogant, selfish, self-serving opportunist


31 posted on 09/08/2023 10:05:41 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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So you still believe that desantis, who

regularly lies about various things.
has lied and jerked around the voters of Florida and the rest of the country about “I’m not a cadidate”
corruptly and deliberately planned to launder campaign funds and break FEC rules and regulations

and many other things that shows he has no morals or character, is the better man?

wow, to your standards....


35 posted on 09/08/2023 10:13:08 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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So why did I read yesterday that DeSantis lied about his interaction with a gold star mom and said that her son died from a drug overdose. When it was not true.


37 posted on 09/08/2023 10:13:36 PM PDT by Revel
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The second Alvin Bragg charged Trump, it was over.


41 posted on 09/08/2023 10:16:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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