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Pope says ‘backward’ U.S. conservatives have replaced faith with ideology
Asssociated Press ^ | August 28, 2023

Posted on 08/28/2023 12:56:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the U.S. Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the U.S. Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

Many conservatives have blasted Francis’ emphasis instead on social justice issues such as the environment and the poor, while also branding as heretical his opening to letting divorced and civilly remarried Catholics receive the sacraments.

Francis made the comments in a private meeting with Portuguese members of his Jesuit religious order while visiting Lisbon on Aug. 5; the Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica, which is vetted by the Vatican secretariat of state, published a transcript of the encounter Monday. During the meeting, a Portuguese Jesuit told Francis that he had suffered during a recent sabbatical year in the United States because he came across many Catholics, including some U.S. bishops, who criticized Francis’ 10-year papacy as well as today’s Jesuits. …

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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; catholic; conservatives; frankenchurch; homosexualagenda; jesuits; popefrancis; socialjustice; usa
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like somebody sent the Pope a pipe.

Is Hunter in the room?.


21 posted on 08/28/2023 1:26:00 PM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Olog-hai

I still say he’s wearing a Che’ t-shirt under his vestments.


22 posted on 08/28/2023 1:26:02 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Dilbert San Diego

There’s a difference between gradual and reasonable development of doctrine, and wholesale dismantling of Church teaching on faith and morals.
A huge difference.


23 posted on 08/28/2023 1:28:32 PM PDT by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I am not a theologian. But, have often heard, that God’s word and Jesus’ teachings are unchanging, and not subject to change as appears to be the view of this Pope.

Bergoglio's use of the word "backward," "evolution," and "reactionary" reveal his thinking. Whether he admits to be a Marxist or not, it doesn't matter - he's got the quintessential Marxist, post-modern thinking of Marxist teleology and historical materialism - that culture, history and society are scientifically moving to some pre-destined moral, political, historical destination.

24 posted on 08/28/2023 1:29:14 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai

Not your yob, Frankie.


25 posted on 08/28/2023 1:30:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: Olog-hai

Jesus told Peter that His Church would prevail over hell. Jesus made Peter the first leader of His Church and the Vatican is where Peter is buried. Popes come and go and the Church has had bad ones like Francis. But never has the Church as a whole allowed sacrilege to go on for long and the Church has always survived bad popes and bad leaders. But Francis is extraordinarily bad and saying more and more heretical things and promoting heretics into positions pf power. If Jesus is allowing this now it can only mean He is allowing the apostasy because He is separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff, and is about to call the truly faithful home for the wedding feast and let the tribulation hour begin the 7 years foretold and shown to the apostle John.


26 posted on 08/28/2023 1:31:15 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Olog-hai

Born and raised Catholic here.
Over the past couple of years since socialist mosquito came
to power having ousted Benedict he has taken many controversial stands within the secular and nonsecular world.

Right now he is playing politics and his game is dirty.

Other than being a socialist/ commie anti- pope

He is a idiot and he has pushed the envelope too far- he has now stepped out and spoken
as a anti-pope.


27 posted on 08/28/2023 1:31:21 PM PDT by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH HELL KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOEVeSNT KILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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To: Olog-hai
Pope says ‘backward’ U.S. conservatives have replaced faith with ideology

Really? Who is trying to change Church teaching to comport with modern sensibilities? Who is trying go along with the world rather than live for our communion with God? Who expounds more on Climate Change than salvation these days? Who keeps hiring those who stand at odds with fundamental truths of the Church? Whose ideology coddles those who abuse children rather than dealing with them as harshly as they deserve? Who covers up scandal with lies rather than allowing the truth to heal?

Hint... it isn't the conservatives.

28 posted on 08/28/2023 1:31:45 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Olog-hai

Like every Leftist, the pope speaks of himself, applying it to others. Better to ignore him.


29 posted on 08/28/2023 1:31:52 PM PDT by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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To: joma89

Pope poofer can go f himself or one of his fag bishops


30 posted on 08/28/2023 1:33:33 PM PDT by gibsonguy ( )
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To: Olog-hai

Way to go pope. The catholic church should be considered expert on backwards ideology.


31 posted on 08/28/2023 1:34:17 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Olog-hai

will no one rid us of this meddlesome priest...


32 posted on 08/28/2023 1:35:50 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Olog-hai

“… a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.”

Yeah, I remember when Jesus said that…oh…wait…


33 posted on 08/28/2023 1:36:37 PM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Olog-hai

This crap is why I walked away, God and I will sort it out.


34 posted on 08/28/2023 1:39:23 PM PDT by Kakaze (I'd like the Republic back)
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To: Olog-hai

Projection.


35 posted on 08/28/2023 1:41:18 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Certified smarter than average for my species)
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To: aynrandfreak

“Is the Pope Catholic?”


This one is Jesuit. As in starting the French revolution and their involvement in Nicaragua with Daniel Ortega. They were merchants of the Liberation Theology version of Catholicism.

Liberation Theology is Marxism in a very thin religious wrapper.


36 posted on 08/28/2023 1:41:37 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Olog-hai

And the Pope replaced Christianity with Satanism!


37 posted on 08/28/2023 1:42:48 PM PDT by TonyM (Score Event)
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To: Olog-hai

We read the Bible, unlike you.


38 posted on 08/28/2023 1:48:10 PM PDT by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: Olog-hai

I was raised Catholic.

The Poop can keel over and drop dead for all I care.


39 posted on 08/28/2023 1:52:33 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Disband and Defund the putrid FBI. America does not need an out of control Gestapo)
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To: Olog-hai

The Pope can KMA


40 posted on 08/28/2023 2:03:35 PM PDT by airdalecheif
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