Posted on 06/19/2023 5:08:38 AM PDT by MtnClimber
The illegal efforts of Ukrainians to lobby for arms shipments will prove counter-productive. And if not curtailed, the interference will turn off Americans enough to cut this tangled Ukrainian knot.
Most Americans sympathize with Ukraine and were and are willing to supply it with defensive weapons to repel Russian aggression.
Proof of that goodwill is the virtual draining of U.S. weapon stocks—from stockpiles of anti-tank weapons and large-caliber artillery shells to anti-aircraft and surface-to-surface missiles. Yet the more the United States gives, the more Volodymyr Zelenskyy demands—and the more the American people acquiesce in sympathy for his plight.
Given such U.S. largess, Ukraine currently enjoys the third-largest defense budget in the world, behind only the United States itself and China in annual outlays. That gargantuan expenditure is a result almost exclusively of American massive arms shipments and other NATO countries’ arms transfers, all based on a commitment to help Ukraine repel Russian aggression. Officials in Russia, Ukraine, and the United States have all agreed that the war is a high-stakes proxy conflict between nuclear Russia and nuclear NATO.
The original mission, as assumed, was to aid Ukraine in pushing the invader back to the prior post-2014 borders, de facto established by prior Russian invasions that had absorbed the disputed eastern border and Crimea. Then supposedly, negotiations would begin to adjudicate the ancient border disputes that had led to the first iteration of fighting in 2014.
The Disputed Ukrainian-Russian Border
Ukraine’s latest counteroffensive could, in fact, get close to achieving that goal of reclaiming much of the ground taken after February 2022.
But apparently, the war’s aims have now shifted to reestablishing the 2013 Ukrainian-Russian border. That is an ambitious agenda and, in the past, neither President Barack Obama nor Donald Trump nor Joe Biden had ever signed on to it.
(Excerpt) Read more at amgreatness.com ...
Let’s you and him fight.
“Most Americans sympathize with Ukraine and were and are willing to supply it with defensive weapons to repel Russian aggression.”
Well, there’s a bare-assed lie.
The only large support for UKR is found among politicos in Washington DC and the Legacy Media.
They are the only folks “making book” on UKR.
Now, ask the super majority of Americans (fly-over country) if they support Zelenskyy (because that’s the real recipient of military largess).
>>Ukraine’s latest counteroffensive could, in fact, get close to achieving that goal of reclaiming much of the ground taken after February 2022.
I love VDH but do not think his intel any better than anyone else’s in the public on this, and I remain steadfast to my initial take on the whole mess. I said this almost a year and a half ago, and it still applies.
The Russians are lying to us.
The Ukrainians are lying to us.
The EU is lying to us.
The Brits are lying to us.
The US government is darn sure lying to us.
Is war, the first casualty is the truth.
There are plenty flying the blue and yellow due to Dem support for this war (yya team!) and decades of Cold War anti-Russian indoctrination.
I am for none of the sides involved, and there are a lot more than two. Well, maybe in favor some of the civilians caught in the crossfire, but that’s it.
They haven't -- Crimea is a bargaining chip to give Putin a "win" if Ukraine takes back the Donbas soon
:: There are plenty flying the blue and yellow due to Dem support for this war (yya team!) ::
So, my point still stands.
Ordinary Americans of all stripes do not support UKR
While some support the Democrat Party’s desire for war.
Blue/Yellow, Hammer & Sickle, Swastika, it’s not a flag.
And, you are spot on, politics has devolved into a “sports team” mentality.
“The illegal efforts of Ukrainians to lobby for arms shipments will prove counter-productive.”
I’m not sure “illegal” is a correct adjective.
You are spot on. That's why one needs to ferret out known facts to get to the truth.
Here are a few facts.....
-Russia now controls 20% of the former Ukeland
-Russia has not collapsed from the mother of all sanctions while we in the West have been wounded from same
-Zelensky starts and ends his day begging for money and equipment (why would he do that if he is winning?)
Lies are lies, and facts normally tell the truth. Separating the wheat from the chaff helps in sorting out the truth.
armistice
plebiscites
^^^^^^^^^^^^
hold on now! what about:
mediterranian yacht dealers?
rolls royce dealers?
crypto dealers? (FTX+ SBF)
swiss banks?
maltese banks?
I had thought the main thrust of this for Americans was to support the refugees coming out of Ukraine. They are pretty much helpless victims & should be helped. The question is...how far should that help extend? Now it’s turning into a giant free-for-all. I would sympathize with Ukraine’s plight, but not at the expense of depleting our military supplies.
There never needed to be a war. The Minsk agreements were signed but the West just used them as a ruse to delay to build up Ukraine’s military to fight the Russians. Angela Merkel admitted it.
The motivation to continue the war is coming from all the corrupt politicians in America who have become fabulously wealthy from kickbacks of U.S. dollars flooding into Ukraine.
It is also coming from the CIA and the DOD who established biological weapons factories in Ukraine in violation of all international laws and for which those responsible should hang, for crimes against humanity, as was done in Nuremberg, Germany, after WWII.
VDH ping
They say ignorance is bliss. This buy must be pretty blissful.....
Then there is the elephant in the room that no one acknowledges. In the last eight years, Ukraine has insidiously managed to massage U.S. domestic politics in a fashion like no other nation in recent memory. Kyiv’s intrusion is ironic, since we had been lectured nonstop about foreign meddling involving nonexistent “Russian collusion” and “Russian disinformation.”
The VDH article at American Greatness is better than some of the replies on the thread. Please jump to the article and read the whole thing ... I know, I know, that is not a FR tradition ... but, just this once ... please?
FR Index of his articles: Victor Davis Hanson on FR
Town Hall: Victor Davis Hanson on Town Hall
American Greatness: Victor Davis Hanson on American Greatness
His website: Victor Davis Hanson
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