[Robert DeLong]

What is right is right. If you had bothered to learn the facts you would know that the Nazis had been attacking Ukrainian Russian speaking citizens in eastern Ukraine for 8 years. You would also know that there was indeed a coup d'etat against a sitting duly elected president in Ukraine by our CIA. You would also know that the Ukrainian president ultimately refused to sign the EU trade agreement deal that he was in support of signing, until he was informed that the EU trade deal would be withdrawn if he also signed the Russian trade agreement being offered, because it was to the benefit of the Ukrainian citizens to sigh both trade agreements.

In addition if you were paying attention, you would see the tyranny is increasing its grasp upon this nation.

No I am not pro war, I am pro America. We do not need to be involves, and what is happening in this country deserves every American's attention, in order to stop the escalating tyranny. You are the pro war person, because you refuse to see & acknowledge the realities, and instead have chosen to buy the propaganda being fed to the American public regarding lots of lies. You also do not desire to engage in a peaceful resolution even though it may result in land loss by Ukraine. A country that has not existed for much of history. We have been a nation for a longer period than has Ukraine ever been a nation.

That either makes you a radical leftist supporter, or a complete idiot. Which is it, because those are the only true options for you beliefs.

[wardaddy]

You can’t reason with these folks

On the one hand Russia is still ussr and Putin Stalin bent on world hegemony

Then it’s Russia can’t defeat Ukraine

So how can they take over the world

The gas station with nukes

[Cronos]

Robert DeLong t. If you had bothered to learn the facts you would know that the Nazis had been attacking Ukrainian Russian speaking citizens in eastern Ukraine for 8 years.

Sorry, but that is wrong

Firstly - Nazis were pro-German "race" -- not pro-white in any way

Secondly - you are using the term "nazi" as per the Kremlin's narrative that "anyone who does not want to be under the Kremlin's thumb is to be labelled a Nazi"

Thirdly - no, Russian speakers were not attacked by the Ukrainian government nor indeed by anyone other than fringe groups -- yes, those few attacks are to be deplored, but these were few, not the pogroms you allege.

Fourthly - the Ukrainian government and the Azovs had and have native Russian speakers. Heck, there are tons of Russian language speakers who consider themselves Ukrainians

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there was indeed a coup d'etat -- quite false as clearly seen - Yanukowych sent in troops to attack protesters - that is known. Yanukowych then fled the capital and was impeached, including by members of his own party.

This was no coup and demonstrated by the monitored elections after that both in 2014 and in 2019

The Russian-Ukrainian agreement was unfavorable for Kyiv.

The steps taken by the Ukrainian government since Viktor Yanukovych came to power in 2010 allowed observers to believe that Kyiv was determined to bring about the signature of an Association Agreement with the EU. According to opinion polls, this step was supported by a large part of the population (according to a poll in November by GfK, 45% of citizens favoured moving closer to the EU, while 14% favoured membership in the Customs Union).

As the summit in Vilnius approached, pressure from Russia was rising; this culminated with the introduction in mid-August of an embargo on goods entering from Ukraine. As a result, a significant part of Ukrainian exports to Russia were blocked for a week. In this way, Moscow sent Kyiv a warning signal, indicating that signing the Agreement with the EU would significantly limit the access of Ukrainian products to the Russian market (which amount to a third of total exports from Ukraine). It seems that this was the key moment that determined the Ukrainian government’s decision to revise its existing policy towards signing the Association Agreement.

Initially Yanukowych hoped that the EU itself would decide to block the signing of the document in connection with the failure to resolve the Tymoshenko issue. However among the member states, voices favouring consent to Ukraine adopting the Agreement began to predominate, despite the lack of a resolution to this problem. At the turn of November, when it became impossible to blame the European Union and the opposition for any failure of the Association Agreement, the Ukrainian government began to publicly highlight the negative consequences that would arise from implementing the document, and to demand financial compensation from Brussels. On 21 November, in a surprisingly blunt manner, the Ukrainian government announced its decision to indefinitely postpone signing the Association Agreement with the EU.

The postponement of signing the Association Agreement with the EU caused the largest protests in Ukraine since the Orange Revolution. On 24 November the demonstrations peaked in the biggest Ukrainian cities, which totalled about 150,000 people, including the largest demonstration in Kyiv, which between 80,000 and 100,000 protesters attended. The scale of the protests is unsurprising. It is noteworthy that only some of them have been organised by opposition parties; the protests have largely arisen from grassroots social mobilisation.

The protests had no natural leader so your statements of "coup d'etat" are just false.

[Cronos]

“We do not need to be involves, and what is happening in this country deserves every American’s attention”

The USA is not “involved” in Ukraine more than providing Ukraine with surplus weaponry.

It is not fighting, so the USA can pay attention to its own internal situation at the same time.

Just as you can mind your own house, but help a homeless vet at the street corner.

[Cronos]

Robert Delong You also do not desire to engage in a peaceful resolution even though it may result in land loss by Ukraine.

Ukraine gave up land - Ukraine - in 2014 and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk were de facto taken by Russia. The fighting in the latter subsided by the end of 2015 and was a frozen conflict like Transdniester.

But Putin's Kremlin came back for more and more.

Giving up land has shown to only whet Putin's appetite for more - like any blackmailer. So giving up land again is proven to not bring peace, so why are you pushing for it, Rob?

[Cronos]

Robert Delong A country that has not existed for much of history

That's bull - most countries in the world today haven't existed for "much of history":

• Germany existed only from 1870 and was divided from 1945 to 1989
• Italy and Greece existed only from the 1800s
• the USA in its current form existed only from the 1800s after the acquisitions of Hawaii, Alaska, etc.
• The UK exists in its current form as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland only since 1921
• The Russian federation exists only since December 1991
• Ukraine exists since April 1991 - so technically is a few months older than the Russian federation

Furthermore if you mean as a sense of a "nation", then both Muscowy and the Cossack Hetmanate have equally long histories -- Ukraine as the Hetmanate dates to the settlement of Kyiv in the 9th century -- and Muscowy is an offshoot of an offshoot (Vladimir-Suzdal) of Kyiv -- both as sister nations of equal age

Hetmanate state in 1649

[Cronos]

Robert Delong We have been a nation for a longer period than has Ukraine ever been a nation.

Now that shows you, Rob, as a complete well, as you put it, idiot. The USA as nation has existed since the late 1700s -- while Ukraine has existed since the 9th century and then since the 1600s as a political entity.