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To: Robert DeLong; wardaddy; dominusobiscum
Robert DeLong t. If you had bothered to learn the facts you would know that the Nazis had been attacking Ukrainian Russian speaking citizens in eastern Ukraine for 8 years.

Sorry, but that is wrong

Firstly - Nazis were pro-German "race" -- not pro-white in any way

Secondly - you are using the term "nazi" as per the Kremlin's narrative that "anyone who does not want to be under the Kremlin's thumb is to be labelled a Nazi"

Thirdly - no, Russian speakers were not attacked by the Ukrainian government nor indeed by anyone other than fringe groups -- yes, those few attacks are to be deplored, but these were few, not the pogroms you allege.

Fourthly - the Ukrainian government and the Azovs had and have native Russian speakers. Heck, there are tons of Russian language speakers who consider themselves Ukrainians

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there was indeed a coup d'etat -- quite false as clearly seen - Yanukowych sent in troops to attack protesters - that is known. Yanukowych then fled the capital and was impeached, including by members of his own party.

This was no coup and demonstrated by the monitored elections after that both in 2014 and in 2019

The Russian-Ukrainian agreement was unfavorable for Kyiv.

The steps taken by the Ukrainian government since Viktor Yanukovych came to power in 2010 allowed observers to believe that Kyiv was determined to bring about the signature of an Association Agreement with the EU. According to opinion polls, this step was supported by a large part of the population (according to a poll in November by GfK, 45% of citizens favoured moving closer to the EU, while 14% favoured membership in the Customs Union).

As the summit in Vilnius approached, pressure from Russia was rising; this culminated with the introduction in mid-August of an embargo on goods entering from Ukraine. As a result, a significant part of Ukrainian exports to Russia were blocked for a week. In this way, Moscow sent Kyiv a warning signal, indicating that signing the Agreement with the EU would significantly limit the access of Ukrainian products to the Russian market (which amount to a third of total exports from Ukraine). It seems that this was the key moment that determined the Ukrainian government’s decision to revise its existing policy towards signing the Association Agreement.

Initially Yanukowych hoped that the EU itself would decide to block the signing of the document in connection with the failure to resolve the Tymoshenko issue. However among the member states, voices favouring consent to Ukraine adopting the Agreement began to predominate, despite the lack of a resolution to this problem. At the turn of November, when it became impossible to blame the European Union and the opposition for any failure of the Association Agreement, the Ukrainian government began to publicly highlight the negative consequences that would arise from implementing the document, and to demand financial compensation from Brussels. On 21 November, in a surprisingly blunt manner, the Ukrainian government announced its decision to indefinitely postpone signing the Association Agreement with the EU.

The postponement of signing the Association Agreement with the EU caused the largest protests in Ukraine since the Orange Revolution. On 24 November the demonstrations peaked in the biggest Ukrainian cities, which totalled about 150,000 people, including the largest demonstration in Kyiv, which between 80,000 and 100,000 protesters attended. The scale of the protests is unsurprising. It is noteworthy that only some of them have been organised by opposition parties; the protests have largely arisen from grassroots social mobilisation.

The protests had no natural leader so your statements of "coup d'etat" are just false.

36 posted on 06/12/2023 3:22:49 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Very good synopsis over what really happened.

May I use?


42 posted on 06/12/2023 4:32:01 AM PDT by dominusobiscum (Scripture is infallible, interpretations of Scripture not so much.)
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