Posted on 03/28/2023 9:34:20 AM PDT by Morgana
Nashville police have revealed the names and photos of the officers who shot and killed the transgender 28-year-old who killed six people, including three nine-year-olds, at a private school Monday.
Audrey Hale arrived at the Covenant School in her Honda Fit just before 10am and was killed by police less than 15 minutes after opening fire, killing six.
A spokesperson for the Nashville Metropolitan Police Department Monday night revealed that Officers Rex Engelbart and Michael Collazo were the members of the team who fired at Hale, ultimately killing her.
Collazo is a nine-year veteran of the Nashville police force, while Engelbart has served for four years.
Police say that officers rushed to The Covenant School, were able to get in and clear the building as they heard shots from the second floor.
Before she was taken down, Hale killed nine-year-olds Evelyn Dieckhaus, William Kinney and pastor's daughter, Hallie Scruggs.
Substitute teacher Cynthia Peak, 61, head of school Katherine Koonce, 60, and custodian Mike Hill, 61, were also killed.
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No, it was awaiting an addadicktome (add-a-dick-to-me).
I was on the phone with him and was driving like a maniac to get to the school. When the flash bangs were used, it sounded like gunfire over the phone and I almost lost it.
After my 100th or so time in that call telling him I love him, I let my son know it was okay to be afraid.
“I’m not afraid,” he replied. “I’m angry. I don’t want to die like this. Not like this.”
“You know what you have to do,” I assured him. “If he makes it into the room, hurl chairs at him and charge him. One or two of you will probably get shot, but all of you can overpower him. Get the gun and shoot him. Keep shooting him until he is dead. He is the target. Destroy the target. Remember your training from the range. You know how to handle a weapon.”
Whispering, my son conveyed the action plan to his friends and the teacher. He was the only one with range experience and knew how to handle handguns, rifles, shot guns, and an AR15.
“I’m not going down without a fight,” I heard my son whisper.
My 15 year old boy with Asbergers and NCCAH had more balls than the Chief in Uvalde.
I went over the action plan with the kids in a whisper, over and over again, giving them instructions they could latch onto and instantly recall if the SHTF. It was the only thing I could do to increase their likelihood of survival.
I should know. Over the course of my life I survived an active shooter situation, a tornado, a flash flood, life threatening injuries, being robbed at gunpoint, and an attempted sexual assault. I survived by having an action plan, keeping my wits about me, ferociously fighting when necessary, and pushing through when needed.
When we were finally reunited, I wept like a baby. I was so proud of the young man God had given me.
Those poor babies in Uvalde never had a chance.
No, they're not. I don't know who made that up but it's a pretty silly idea.
In the civilian world, no one is justified in firing on any person who doesn't threaten them (or a 3rd party) with risk of death or serious bodily harm. The standard most police departments train to is to continue firing so long as the perp has possession and control of a weapon and refuses to submit to the officer(s).
Five or so years ago the Atlantic City PD fired up a gang-banger zoomin' on PCP 45 times. 60-ish rounds fired and 45 entry wounds. There was great hue and cry from the usual suspects (even the owner of Alienware Holsters called it excessive, and lived to regret opening his mouth). The grand jury declined to indict because one officer's dashcam showed the perp still had a handgun in his possession until the 45th shot.
But even cops can't keep shooting just because they haven't yet run out of bullets.
Audrey Hale arrived at the Covenant School in her Honda Fit just before 10am and was killed by police less than 15 minutes after opening fire, killing six.
At 3:29 PM the officer arrived at the friend’s house.
I guess Ms Hale didn’t get the email about the George H. W. Bush gun free school zone.
Yes, the police are indeed trained to empty their weapons.
WW2 vets, Korean War vets and Vietnam vets have told me "You can put a whole bunch of rounds in a guy and he can still come at your hard and fast'' In my humble opinion I'd venture to say once your adrenaline is pumping the body doesn't register at first that you're being shot. In addition to adrenaline there is another chemical in the body called cortisol. It's like high octane adrenaline. When that kicks you've really got a person who is mighty pumped up.
I remember reading articles that came out after Iraqi Freedom that soldiers and Marines were reporting incidences where they would empty an entire clip from their M 16’s. M 4 Carbines and even rounds from their 240mm machine guns and the Iraqis(mostly the insurgents and the Fedeyeen militia ) and they still wouldn’t go down. They had to be ‘’doubled tapped’’ a lot.
Turns out when autopsies were done on these guys they were hopped up on methamphetamine, pain killers and all kinds of drugs.
One Army surgeon said “Shooting these guys was putting holes in carrots’’.
You have earned my undying respect. What a brave son you’ve raised.
“I’m not afraid. I’m angry’’.
Now there is one tough and brave young man. God Bless him
God Bless you.
“...would have emptied an entire magazine.”
As long as you have more mags. One of the first things one of the cops did was look around for any more threats.
Unsafe. Done by trans reporters and sympathizers
Thank you! May God bless you, too.
And to think, this is the child a doctor was pushing me to terminate because of genetic abnormalities.
God made him that way. God made him brave.
I am just lucky enough to be his mom.
Do you shoot?
And that’s a rhetorical question.
Because how you train is how you shoot when a time comes that doesn’t give you time to think about how to shoot.
Police are training to empty their guns at a target. And then that’s what they do when there isn’t time to think.
Now you and the other people who want to believe what you want are welcome to believe what you want. Me, I believe what I see.
Yes I saw that. As I said I’ve never been in the military but the men who have been told me you’ve always got to keep ‘’situational awareness’’, head on a swivel.
From what I have studied about infantry tactics I understand that each man covers the other as they move forward, covering all angles , safety’s off and fingers ready on the trigger.
Kudos to the men in blue in “The Volunteer State’’. They did their job.
They say “Don't mess with Texas’’.
Well mind your P's & Q’s in Tennessee.
You are sooo right.
We have two important lessons for ourselves.
*One, we will be able to keep fighting and so make sure the bad guy is stopped even if we are wounded and later die. BTW If successful in ending the affair quickly, the better chance of getting life-saving trauma care to everyone involved in time. EMT’s do not come on the scene while the shooting is still going on!
(”I’m gonna kill more of them, than they kill of me!”)
**Two, handguns not being magic death rays we will be use every available tool and stratagem in winning and surviving the fight.
(”I put 5 rounds of .38 special through his center mass and then zigzagged outa there so I could call in that airstrike!”)
Appreciate you jmacusa on the forum and value your contribution.
Freegards!
BrianD
Well a humble thank you.
Thank you for your contribution here. You’re one of the good ones.
“..That is total BS...,” you said.
Same can be said about any generalization of this type. What I know of LEO training second hand (from a student/graduate of mine, and a dear friend) does not inspire confidence.
We know first hand that mag dumps are happening, and that PD spokesmen tell the citizens that “all department training protocols were followed”. We see the police surround a car in a circle and all mag dump at once and sometimes injure or kill other officers on the other side of the circle. I understand completely why this happens and it does not destroy my faith in God. My worldview does not require me to tell myself or anyone else that cops are “good” people.
“You can try to train them to use the sights, but WTSHTF they aren’t gonna do it!” they say because of the stress response which they believe to be impossible to control. Their doctrine seems to be to train people to do what they would do without the training?! Then in the debriefings they analyze the badge cameras’ and dash cameras’ footage and sure enough their belief is confirmed. (Let’s stop calling it “spray and pray” because no real prayer is involved. Maybe we should arrange to have a Chaplain pray at every shift meeting that God would help them hit something.)
Just an anecdote which doesn’t prove anything so take it FWIW. A cop was riding with his supervisor, an affirmative action type if you understand, when they got into a shootout from behind their respective cruiser doors. She had dumped three full magazines a total of over 50 rounds and he had expended over 30 rounds all without hitting anything of consequence when she demanded he pass to her his last full spare magazine. This he refused to do. The perp ran out of ammo and surrendered also without having hit anything and they made the arrest.
This supervisor wrote him up for misconduct/insubordination. It all got hushed up once the public found out, so I never heard what happened in the end if anything. I assume that it threatened the department’s affirmative action promotion policy not the white officer’s career nor even that supervisor’s career. I heard the story from someone attacking affirmative action in general. People in the community seemed satisfied to believe that the white male cop was not punished, and that was the end of it.
Around the country the citizens seem to me at least to be OK with the mag dumps, and to many people, the accusations of excessive force ring hollow when the marksmanship is so poor. I do not know if cops can be trained to hit or not, but I wish they were. Pardon my rambling, don’t know why I wanted to get that off my chest. And thanks again AlaskaErik for any correction or contradiction you can offer me.
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