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In China Things Head South Quickly
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 19 Jan, 2023 | Francis Menton

Posted on 01/20/2023 5:39:24 AM PST by MtnClimber

If you follow developments out of China at all, you have likely noticed a spate of bad news recently. For years, even decades, it seemed that China could do no wrong in its growth toward becoming a major world power: China reported economic growth of 10% and up every year; it was becoming the hub of manufacturing for the entire world; and as its economy grew, its clout on the world stage increased rapidly. Pundits on the left (and occasionally on the right as well), often with overt admiration for the Chinese model of authoritarian state-directed crony capitalism, widely predicted that China would supplant the U.S. as the world’s leading power some time not too far into the 21st century.

Suddenly that’s looking much less likely. What happened? The fault lines have been there for a long time, but well-concealed by a regime with tight control over information flow, let alone by a Western press with a deep hatred of the West and not hiding its cheerleading for success of the Chinese model. In the last few months, as conditions have deteriorated, the regime has lost a big piece of its ability to keep the lid on.

Here’s my two cents: If the goal is long-term success for the country and the people, the Xi regime is doing pretty much everything wrong.

As a Manhattan Contrarian reader, it will not have come as a surprise to you that China would soon be facing serious reverses. As long ago as a post in September 2018, I asked “What Are The Long-Term Prospects For China?” That post reviewed various destructive policies of the Chinese government that included things like the pervasive surveillance system, tight and increasing state control of investment, suppression of religion and of ethnic minorities, and more, and concluded by asking: “[I]n a world of tough competition for talent and investment, what does China really have to offer?” In another post in March 2021, I asked “Is China About To ‘Win’ The Battle For The Future?” That post reviewed the prognostications of multiple pundits, on both left and right, predicting, often in exactly those words, that China was “winning the battle for the future.” But my conclusion was that various self-inflicted wounds stemming from the authoritarian governance model would soon undermine Chinese progress:

China’s system has enormous disadvantages, mostly self-inflicted by the ruling Communist Party, that show every prospect of greatly hindering and undermining its ongoing economic advance.

So with that introduction, let’s review some of the latest news:

Covid. Since the outset of the pandemic, China has pursued what it has called the “zero Covid” policy. Somehow Xi or others in the regime got the idea that they could accomplish the ultimate demonstration of the superiority of their system by imposing the strictest lockdowns and other control measures, and thereby preventing the disease from ever spreading in their country. In a post on April 16, 2022, I described conditions in Shanghai at that time, largely as then reported by The New York Times:

China has adopted an absolutist “zero Covid” policy without any rational weighing of the actual costs and benefits of the policy. Young adults and children with little to no risk of death from the disease are locked in their homes, often starving, and deprived of all normal human social contact for weeks and months on end. And since the disease has not yet worked its way through the population as it has elsewhere, China has no end in sight for these draconian policies. . . . The New York Times reports on April 10 about how the recent Shanghai lockdown is affecting the residents: “Residents have swarmed the police officers who enter their neighborhoods wearing white protective suits. They have shouted out their windows, demanding to be given supplies. Others have banged pots and pans in protest. . . . “We just want to eat, is that so hard?” [residents] yelled.”

The post included this picture of a street scene from Shanghai, with police and health officials in haz-mat suits and no civilians to be seen outdoors:

At the time, the Worldometers site, using official Chinese government data, was reporting what appeared to be a huge success for the zero Covid policy, at least if the only measure of success is number of cases and deaths from Covid and you think that imprisoning people in their homes for months is OK and that official Chinese government data are real. The death rate for China from Covid at that time was given as 3 per million population. My comment was that the official death rate “is highly likely to be wildly understated, but nobody knows by how much, because any local official daring to report accurate information would likely be fired if not jailed.”

By December, there were widespread reports that Covid was surging in China — although if you followed the Worldometers site, you could still not find the surge in the officially-reported data. But some Western news sources at last started to get curious. Here is the latest from NBC News today:

SHANGHAI — Patients are crammed into hallways, stairwells and lobbies, and still the sick keep coming. In scenes reminiscent of the start of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020, Chinese hospitals are struggling to cope with a surge in Covid-19 cases following the country’s decision to scrap its “zero-Covid” policy in early December.

So is the Chinese government starting to get honest?

After international criticism that it had not been transparent about the severity of the outbreak, the Chinese government said last weekend that it had recorded 60,000 Covid-related deaths since Dec. 8.

That’s a start — Worldometers as of today continues to show a total of only 5,272 Covid deaths in China. But NBC continues:

An estimate on Tuesday by Airfinity, an independent forecaster based in London, put the number of Covid-related deaths in China since Dec. 1 at 608,000, 10 times the official figure.

608,000 deaths would be about 425 per million population. That’s still a fraction of the U.S. rate (which is about 3,300 per million), but those 608,000 deaths in China are only in the last month and a half. The real number in China since the start of the pandemic remains anybody’s guess, and the current surge of cases and deaths could well result in rapid catch-up to the rates in the Western countries that had far less severe restrictions. The Chinese have lived in near prison conditions for the last three years — and for what? To make the leaders look good (by some twisted definition of “good”)?

Population. The Wall Street Journal reported on January 16, based on official Chinese data, that China’s population had actually declined year-on-year in 2022 over 2021.

The National Bureau of Statistics said Tuesday that China’s population dropped to 1.412 billion in 2022, from 1.413 billion in 2021. It was the first decline since the early 1960s, when the country was devastated by famine after Mao Zedong launched his “Great Leap Forward.”

It may sound like a rounding error, but the difference between 1.413 billion and 1.412 billion is a whole million people. And the decline represents almost entirely excess of deaths over births. In simple terms, nobody is having children in China any more. The data on number of births are quite astounding. From the WSJ:

The number of births declined to 9.56 million from 10.62 million in 2021, Tuesday’s data showed. China’s birthrate—the number of births per thousand people—dropped to 6.77 in 2022, compared with 7.52 in 2021.

By contrast, according to Macrotrends, the U.S. birthrate for 2022 was 12.012 per 1000 people — close to double the Chinese rate. The U.S. rate is right around the level that is sufficient to maintain the population; and with ongoing rapid immigration, the U.S. can expect continued increases in population. For China, at this extremely low birth rate, the population is almost certain to continue to decline. And the way the math of this works, unless the birth rate reverses quickly, the decline will accelerate. The UN put out a prediction in late 2022 that China’s population would decline by nearly half by 2100, to under 800 million. And others have even more dire projections. (A University of Wisconsin study in 2021 projects a population for China in 2100 of between 350 and 450 million.)

China also has negative net immigration (that is, more people emigrate than immigrate), according to Macrotrends. What foreign citizen would want to voluntarily enter this prison/surveillance state, where ethnic minorities are treated like second-class citizens when they are not put into forced labor camps?

Economic “Growth”. As reported in many sources, citing official Chinese government data, China reported economic growth for 2022 as 3%. Here is a quote from Reuters, January 17:

2022 GDP grows 3.0%, far below official target. . . . China's economic growth in 2022 slumped to one of its worst levels in nearly half a century as the fourth quarter was hit hard by strict COVID curbs and a property market slump, raising pressure on policymakers to unveil more stimulus this year.

3% year-on-year economic growth is far lower than the levels of growth reported by China for the past several decades. Compared to the U.S., the 3% may still not sound too bad, until you realize, again, this is official Chinese statistics. There could be endless amounts of padding in there.

So overall, how is Xi doing? I’d say, he’s giving an object lesson on how to drive a country into the ditch. Until the government is ready to accept a large role for freedom and entrepreneurialism outside state control, they are likely in for a long period of stagnation. I don’t see Xi and his crowd going that route.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: communism
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To: MtnClimber

Bkmk


21 posted on 01/20/2023 7:27:26 AM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: MtnClimber

Look at the sky in the picture associated with this article.

That is not an overcast day. It is air-pollution. That’s a normal day. The sky is not blue in Chinese cities.


22 posted on 01/20/2023 7:44:47 AM PST by Fai Mao (Stop feeding the beast, and steal its food!)
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To: MtnClimber
How many people know that prior to 1949 China was a friendly country? Chiang Kai-shek was far from perfect (he was fanatically pro-moslem and anti-Israel for one thing), but he wasn't destabilizing Asia.

Thanks again, liberals.

23 posted on 01/20/2023 7:49:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: sergeantdave

Don’t think anyone cares much about gp and gm enjoying their senior years not can gp and gm afford it. No cruise ships.


24 posted on 01/20/2023 8:22:52 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: MMusson

Just posing a thought for consideration, is a blue water navy really essential for China now as it has been for the US?

The trade routes within the island chain outboard of China can be controlled by relatively short range land based missiles never having to put a fleet or aircraft carrier in harms way. The Chicom trade fleet could be obliterated in that way just as submarines did the same to the Japanese trade fleet.

The Chicoms can project outward of their bathtub in a similar way but only so far as the outer islands from Japan all the way to Indonesia. Some land bases may be needed to expand but Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, Malaysia are land battles, not easy but require no navy.

There is no need to project into the vastness of the Pacific, it is only water after all, nothing to take. What they need and want are resources; those are available without spanning the Pacific.

It is even much easier to go to war to the west, with the Stans and Russia than it is to go east.

As for taking or conquering the US, why?


25 posted on 01/20/2023 8:32:50 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: Sequoyah101
As for taking or conquering the US, why?

If you believe the common wisdom on FR, the most vaxxed group in the world, aka the US Military, will be reduced to a shell force by disease, debilitation, and death.

So the ChiComs can just roll up to the US Capitol and ask for the keys....

26 posted on 01/20/2023 8:37:53 AM PST by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: Sequoyah101

Clearing Tiananmen Square of 50 million complaining grandpas and grandpas, who are the Mandarin kin of the ChiComm rulers, will be an impossible task.

The ChiComm subsidized cruise fleet will be built. Tickets will cost 10 renminbi, equivalent to $1.47. All-you-can-eat Peking duck buffets included. At 7pm sharp. Entertainment by Japanese Elvis impersonators. 9pm to midnight.


27 posted on 01/20/2023 8:54:19 AM PST by sergeantdave (AI is the next iteration of a copy and paste machine.)
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To: MtnClimber

They have many ghost cities. Near empty poorly constructed buildings.


28 posted on 01/20/2023 9:03:48 AM PST by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: sergeantdave

50 million is rounding error. Not a problem.


29 posted on 01/20/2023 9:32:58 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: central_va; EEGator
China Imports from United States was US$180.97 Billion during 2021, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade.

China Imports from United StatesValueYear
Electrical, electronic equipment $22.50B 2021
Mineral fuels, oils, distillation products $21.40B 2021
Machinery, nuclear reactors, boilers $19.56B 2021
Oil seed, oleagic fruits, grain, seed, fruits $17.83B 2021
Vehicles other than railway, tramway $13.84B 2021
Optical, photo, technical, medical apparatus $13.27B 2021
Cereals $8.57B 2021
Plastics $7.40B 2021
Pharmaceutical products $7.04B 2021
Miscellaneous chemical products $4.49B 2021
Organic chemicals $4.15B 2021
Meat and edible meat offal $4.11B 2021
Aircraft, spacecraft $3.06B 2021
Essential oils, perfumes, cosmetics, toileteries $2.52B 2021
Ores slag and ash $2.31B 2021
Copper $2.17B 2021
Wood and articles of wood, wood charcoal $1.97B 2021
Pulp of wood, fibrous cellulosic material, waste $1.68B 2021
Cotton $1.60B 2021
Articles of iron or steel $1.10B 2021
Inorganic chemicals, precious metal compound, isotope $1.09B 2021
Pearls, precious stones, metals, coins $1.08B 2021
Edible fruits, nuts, peel of citrus fruit, melons $1.02B 2021
Soaps, lubricants, waxes, candles, modelling pastes $1.01B 2021
Miscellaneous edible preparations $1.00B 2021
Glass and glassware $980.07M 2021
Fish, crustaceans, molluscs, aquatics invertebrates $975.16M 2021
Paper and paperboard, articles of pulp, paper and board $800.23M 2021
Rubbers $725.32M 2021
Residues, wastes of food industry, animal fodder $718.19M 2021
Commodities not specified according to kind $717.62M 2021
Raw hides and skins (other than furskins) and leather $702.20M 2021
Printed books, newspapers, pictures $680.56M 2021
Salt, sulphur, earth, stone, plaster, lime and cement $615.08M 2021
Photographic or cinematographic goods $594.51M 2021
Albuminoids, modified starches, glues, enzymes $561.12M 2021
Works of art, collectors' pieces and antiques $534.13M 2021
Dairy products, eggs, honey, edible products $485.26M 2021
Tanning, dyeing extracts, tannins, derivatives, pigments $437.08M 2021
Beverages, spirits and vinegar $426.96M 2021
Nickel $419.66M 2021
Aluminum $410.45M 2021
Products of animal origin $343.69M 2021
Vegetable, fruit, nut food preparations $336.70M 2021
Base metals not specified elsewhere, cermets. $322.16M 2021
Iron and steel $304.24M 2021
Stone, plaster, cement, asbestos, mica or similar materials $296.49M 2021
Ceramic products $247.06M 2021
Tools, implements, cutlery of base metal $234.88M 2021
Wadding, felt, nonwovens, yarns, twine, cordage $203.49M 2021
Miscellaneous articles of base metal $182.69M 2021
Furniture, lighting signs, prefabricated buildings $181.83M 2021
Tobacco and manufactures tobacco substitutes $181.21M 2021
Sugars and sugar confectionery $139.93M 2021
Animal, vegetable fats and oils, cleavage products $133.05M 2021
Toys, games, sports requisites $132.18M 2021
Footwear, gaiters and the like, $107.75M 2021
Manmade filaments $106.54M 2021
Miscellanneous manufactured articles $100.11M 2021
Manmade staple fibers $89.78M 2021
Impregnated, coated or laminated textile fabric $85.61M 2021
Cereal, flour, starch, milk preparations and products $79.52M 2021
Articles of leather, animal gut, harness, travel good $58.65M 2021
Cocoa and cocoa preparations $47.88M 2021
Edible vegetables and certain roots and tubers $47.76M 2021
Live animals $46.75M 2021
Railway, tramway locomotives, rolling stock, equipment $45.18M 2021
Musical instruments, parts and accessories $34.59M 2021

The map below shows for an earlier year, I think 2021, visualizing China's biggest import partners.

As you can see, while the USA is behind China's neighbors like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan, it is a pretty decent showing

You are right that if China stopped importing from the USA, then that would have minimal direct impact on the USA's exports


30 posted on 01/23/2023 12:13:10 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: MtnClimber

Just so long as the Chinese are still pumping out cheap stuff for the Dollar Tree store. Like $1.25 eyeglasses and cheap thin socks that work great for my athletic shoes.


31 posted on 01/23/2023 12:22:19 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: Cronos; EEGator
Trade Deficit with your Chicom lovers:
U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $615.2 billion in 2020. Exports were $164.9 billion; imports were $450.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $285.5 billion in 2020. China is currently our largest goods trading partner with $559.2 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2020.
32 posted on 01/23/2023 4:33:43 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Cronos; EEGator
Before the USA finally started to fight back ( Pre Trump ), the ChiComs imposed a 7.5% tariff on US import. The USA had around 3%. Now both USA and China impose a higher tariff on each others imports. China's is 21% and te USA's is 19%.

US-China Trade War Tariffs: An Up-to-Date Chart

33 posted on 01/23/2023 4:42:48 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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