Posted on 01/19/2023 2:49:21 AM PST by C19fan
A hero pilot who shot down at least four Russian Migs in a classified dogfight at the height of the Cold War which saw his jet shot 263 times is to receive the Navy Cross.
Retired Navy Captain Royce Williams was sworn to secrecy for more than 50 years over fears that his battle against seven Soviet fighters could spark war with Russia.
Now the 97-year-old is free to tell his tale and is due to receive the Navy's second highest award for combat valor on Friday at the San Diego Air & Space Museum.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
But now it’s OK to antagonize Russia. We get it.
The Sears Roebuck Man.
My dad and my uncle and us kids went to a Senators game at RFK and my uncle who was a World War II Pacific Marine had thus Corp windbreaker jacket on and the box that we were in was right over the dugout.
Ted Williams saw that and during one of the breaks in the game they had like a 10-minute conversation. Two old Marines shooting the breeze.
This isn’t a lie, and Admiral Shelton was a very good friend of mine.
This is an old story.
“There has been a years-long campaign to award Williams the Medal of Honor for his exploit. In 2014, retired Rear Admiral Doniphan Shelton became aware of Williams’s feat, and he tried unsuccessfully for years to get the Navy or Department of Defense to award him the medal.”
You even attack our old war heroes, you Russian people have truly turned against us.
Korean United Nations war.
“Despites its denials at the time, the Soviet Union was intimately involved in the Korean War. The contribution made by the Soviets was vital. They provided diplomatic support, strategic and grand tactical planning, including the planning of the invasion of South Korea, and essential logistical support. They supplied and trained the air forces of China and North Korea. Soviet pilots flew aircraft with Chinese or North Korean markings and after the war claimed to have shot down over 400 UN aircraft.”
My uncle at the end of WW2 was stationed with his PBY at the top of Korea. The war was over yet they would fly to China for R&R by way of Manchuria. One of the then unarmed planes was engaged over Manchuria and shot at by ruskies. There was a clamor amongst the crews to rearm the planes and to go get them. Of course that was nixed and they were directed to keep quiet about it.
Seems the Navy has done a lot of things they ordered to disappear
It seems the pilots were Russian.
From the article—”The national security peril soon dawned on Navy command who discovered Williams had engaged the Soviet Air Force.
Migs flying in the Chinese and Korean air forces were known to be flown by Soviet volunteers but this was an escalation with potential to turn the Cold War hot.”
On paper it is true
Pilots always make the difference
Except it’s not
Didn’t see that. I guess the only reason he would have been ordered to shut up is if the pilots were Russian.
My next door neighbor at the time shook his hand at the 1999 All-Star game. The neighbor was a former Marine reserve finance officer. When he moved from Rhode Island to Massachusetts there was no Marine finance billet within 50 miles so they let him transfer into the Army reserve. He looked like a Marine out of central casting, so when the All-Star game was scheduled for Fenway, and Teddy Ballgame was going to be honored, they wanted a Marine Color Guard. The next door neighbor fit the bill, so the Marines allowed him to wear a Marine uniform for the detail. (He may have been temporarily transferred back into the Corps.) In any event after a lot of drill and preparation his detail was ready for the game. Teddy Ballgame asked to shake his hand, and he readily obliged. We watched it live on National TV.
You have any idea at all what a MiG-15 is, or the Grumman F9F Panther? Any idea at all how those two types of plane stacked up in rates of turn, climb, max airspeed, comparative armament? Kind of emblematic of today's illiterate public, aren't you?
Bet ya money you've never flown a plane, much less a fighter, much less in combat - or likely left your little burg where you live.
Easy money.
Navy Cross?
Hell, he should get the Medal of Honor!!..........................
Grandfather.....................
Usually ordered by some high-level officer that wants to avoid the temporary embarrassment or get a small ding on their record, and then the incident is forgotten.
Leaving some underling(s) to bear the burden of a ‘muzzle’ forever, since no one will bother removing the restriction - since they don’t even remember or care anymore.
Navy is probably the worst, but other branches get their participation trophies as well.
(See tagline)
2014 book by Russian historian Igor Seidov, 'Red Devils Over the Yalu: A Chronicle of Soviet Aerial Operations in the Korean War.'
Not just Russian. That happened often in Korea,Russian flying Chinese MIGS from Manchuria, but these guys flew from Vladivostok not Manchuria. The MIGS were Soviet AF not Chinese or NK. That’s what made keeping it quiet important. Some Soviet colonel had let his emotion get the best of him and attacked USN warplanes over North Korea.
Even the Russians confirm it...
“ If only it was true.
Our government lies.
This is convenient propaganda.”
Please travel to San Diego for the award ceremony and tell that to the pilot face to face.
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