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Have More Athletes Really Died Suddenly Since Covid-19 Vaccines Arrived?
Forbes ^ | 1/16 | Bruce Y. Lee

Posted on 01/16/2023 3:25:17 PM PST by nickcarraway

If you are going to claim that more athletes have been suffering cardiac arrests and dying over the past two years, you had better sport some real numbers. Some real legitimate verifiable numbers. But that’s not what Tucker Carlson did on his FOX News show “Tucker Carlson Tonight” when he made such a claim. Instead of real numbers, he mentioned a letter. One letter. One letter to the editor of a medical journal to be exact.

But Carlson didn’t even specify that it was a letter in the episode of this show. The episode came after Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin’s had suffered a cardiac arrest. Carlson, who is not a professional athlete, not a professional medical doctor, and not a professional scientist, suggested that there’s been a trend of more athletes suffering cardiac arrest. He asserted that “cardiologist Peter McCullough and researcher Panagis Polykretis looked into this trend in Europe, European sports leagues. They found that prior to Covid and the Covid-19 vaccines there were roughly 29 cardiac arrests in those European sports leagues per year.” Carlson went on to claim, “Since the vax campaign began, there have been more than 1,500 total cardiac arrests in those leagues and two-thirds of those were fatal.”

Hmm, does this sound like McCullough, a cardiologist who was not really known as an infectious disease expert or a public health researcher before the pandemic, and Polykretis, a biologist, actually conducted a real scientific study? Maybe even a peer-reviewed study? It looks like they didn’t, though, and instead all they did was write a letter to the editor published in the Scandinavian Journal of Immunology. It doesn’t take much to write a letter to the editor for such a journal. You have to be able to write, which may rule out some kids below

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Sports
KEYWORDS: antivaxhysteria; bruceylee; covid; covid19; deaths; qlowns; qtards; vaccines; vaxxtards
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To: semimojo; cuz1961

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/judge-scraps-75-year-timeline-for-fda-to-release-pfizer-vaccine-safety-data-giving-agency-eight-months

https://libertyfirst.org/is-this-why-pfizer-wanted-trial-data-buried-for-75-years/

https://euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/


41 posted on 01/16/2023 5:25:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

He sure is. This “author” sounds like a paid shill for big pharma or covidiots in ALL of his writings.


42 posted on 01/16/2023 5:34:52 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: cuz1961
Sure, cuz YOU claim it didn’t happen.

No, because it's public record.

The FDA had to redact personal information out of the clical trial data and wanted to do it slowly. They were going to release a cetrain amount each month.

A judge, rightfully, said they had to speed that up.

Big Pharma didn't try to delay the release of anything.

43 posted on 01/16/2023 5:37:19 PM PST by semimojo
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To: kiryandil

“Where did it go?”
“Right in the lumberyard...”


44 posted on 01/16/2023 5:38:34 PM PST by EEGator
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To: semimojo

Full blown

SSDD


45 posted on 01/16/2023 5:39:38 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: nickcarraway

Dude doesn’t know what a letter to a medical or scientific journal is.


46 posted on 01/16/2023 5:42:50 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: spintreebob

FOIA...how’s that working out for those who question the government?

Look, the feds have been lying about whatever suits them for a long time. Trust your instincts, that’s as reliable as statistics from the government. Which is a rather sad commentary when you think about it.

If “the government” was a human being, said human would be classified a pathological liar.


47 posted on 01/16/2023 5:43:35 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: nickcarraway
Instead of real numbers, he mentioned a letter. One letter. One letter to the editor of a medical journal to be exact.

Sort of the same thing the MSM did with "climate change". It was based on one letter with no data. Wonder if Forbes will write about that?

48 posted on 01/16/2023 5:49:20 PM PST by TheCipher ( RINO politicians in DC are the only reptiles in the world with no backbone)
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To: nickcarraway

It doesn’t matter. Few people under the age of 30 ever needed a vaccine for Covid. This proves it was always about money.


49 posted on 01/16/2023 5:50:13 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: nickcarraway

I thought Forbes was a business news outfit. Guess they expanded to medical.


50 posted on 01/16/2023 5:51:24 PM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Thank you for that.

Pfizer wasn't trying to delay the release, the FDA bureaucracy just wanted more resources to do the redaction.

51 posted on 01/16/2023 5:52:06 PM PST by semimojo
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To: spintreebob

Here’s my perspective:

alcohol (voluntary), opioids (voluntary), car crashes (sort of voluntary-at least not coerced), suicide (voluntary), and experimental drugs [vaccinations?] (forced)


52 posted on 01/16/2023 5:52:18 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: semimojo

Proof of how corrupt the FDA is.


53 posted on 01/16/2023 5:53:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Proof of how corrupt the FDA is.

Of course. Conspiratorial, too.

54 posted on 01/16/2023 5:55:58 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
"All the people in the long list of examples is are fully documented."

Maybe, but they are in no way comparable to the ones in the Lausanne study McCullough & Polykretis cite.

In what ways are the lists not comparable? For starters we know that both lists were generated by reviewing news reports.

55 posted on 01/16/2023 5:59:16 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
In what ways are the lists not comparable? For starters we know that both lists were generated by reviewing news reports.

Do you understand that medical journals are different from any random news source scoured off of the internet?

The authors of the Lausanne study state, in their paper, that "most" sudden cardiac deaths of young athletes aren't reported to these journals - which were the only ones the authors considered.

Goodsciencing.com, on the other hand, cast a very wide net.

"This means that provided a person is reasonably fit, healthy and does some athletic activity, rather than an unfit “couch potato,” then they can be included in this list. Needless to say, these are only the persons reported to us by readers or that we discovered during research. Also note that almost all of these have been reported in the media."

You didn't answer my earlier question but do you think it's honest to compare a very select number of cases written up in select medical journals to a random collection of deaths pulled from all over the internet?

56 posted on 01/16/2023 6:32:13 PM PST by semimojo
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To: cuz1961
Like the adverse reaction numbers big pharma hid in their 50,000 page doc they tried to hide for the next 75 years ?

 

This might seem a bit nit-picky, but you're probably referring to the FOIA case brought by  "Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency" against the FDA which you can find on PACER with this case number  4:21-cv-1058-P, or on Scribed if you don't have a PACER account. This seems to be the most common source for  the "someone or other" wanted to hide the data for "75 years" claims, and the counter-claims that precise thing never happened.  

 

Anyway, the correct numbers are: Pages of documents covered by the FOIA:

440,000

Number of pages FDA wanted to release per month:

500

Number of pages the court ordered the FDA to release per month:

55,00

We can certainly argue about the FDA's motivation, and pressure from big pharma, but at least we can try to get our numbers right.  So here's a claim that cannot be refuted:
 
"The FDA wanted to release the requested FOIA vaccine documents at such a slow rate (500 pages per month) that it would have taken 880 months, or 73.33 years to release all 440,000 pages covered by the FOIA."  And if you want even more clarity, one could add "And the Federal court in Texas didn't let them get away with it.  They were directed to release 55,000 of the covered pages each month, which took the FDA 8 months.  All pages covered by the FOIA have now been released."
 
So maybe the next step is to look at the FOIA'd documets and find the dirt?

57 posted on 01/16/2023 6:47:21 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: OHPatriot
Peer-reviewed

"all they did was write a letter"

are letters to an editor peer-reviewed?

58 posted on 01/16/2023 6:58:58 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: Maelstrom

Does the Int’l Olympic committee track all athelete deaths or just those of olympic atheletes?

I did find this from 2017:
“The overall prevalence of CV disorders in this population was 12% (i.e. 33/267)
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/27/2092/3959647


59 posted on 01/16/2023 7:12:05 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: wjcsux

That’s pretty clear.


60 posted on 01/16/2023 8:08:59 PM PST by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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