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Don't Be So Sure That The Climate Extremists Have "Won"
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 29 Nov, 2022 | Francis Menton

Posted on 12/01/2022 4:13:00 AM PST by MtnClimber

Undoubtedly, the question right now at the top of everyone’s mind is, When is the Manhattan Contrarian’s Energy Storage Report coming out? After all, he previously promised it for September, and then October, and here we are almost in December and we still haven’t seen it.

It’s a fair question. Being a blogger, I don’t have much appreciation for the formalities of the publication process. In blogging, you finish the post, do a quick proofread, press “Publish,” and there it is. With this, it has been rounds of peer review, editing, typesetting, proofreading, and so forth. However, I’m now told that the official issue date will be Thursday, December 1.

After the publication, I’ll have several posts expounding on parts of the Report, particularly those portions that cover topics I have not already beaten to death here on the blog. But for now I want to focus on the most important aspect of this, which is: Don’t get discouraged in thinking that the climate extremists have “won.” They have not.

It does not really matter that the climate extremists at the moment control all of the commanding heights of our culture — the media, academia, most big corporations, and the Executive Branch of the government. What matters is that the cultists are proposing a new utopian energy system that will not work and cannot work. It’s only a question of when and how it fails — and of how big the political blowback will be when that happens. The main Achilles heel of the proposals is the problem of energy storage.

As an example of a discouraged voice out there, I refer you to an interview of environmentalist-turned-climate-skeptic Michael Schellenberger, that appeared today on the website Spiked. After a long career in environmentalism, Schellenberger more recently came to realize that the climate alarm movement is a scam. In 2020 he published the book “Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All.” But despite getting his own views out there in a book, in the Spiked interview he remarks that essentially all voices of reason on the subject of climate, including his own, are getting completely drowned out in the public square:

[T]he climate movement is bizarre. . . . [I]t’s taken control of all these elite institutions. The movement’s ideology is the official religion of the British government, including the British Conservative Party. It’s the official religion of the United Nations. It’s the official religion of the World Economic Forum. Climate activists have made the great reset, which is fundamentally about a transition to renewables for climate change, the dominant ideology of the global elites. . . . [T]he whole mainstream news media and the global elites are basically part of this cult. The idea that the world is coming to an end is mainstream among journalists.

As the voices of climate extremism have become more dominant in the public square, Schellenberger notes that their demands have become ever more and more unhinged:

We’re seeing much more extremist rhetoric and a lot of people engaging in extremely disruptive civil disobedience. That’s what’s new about Just Stop Oil. Its accusation is, why are people upset about attacking works of art, rather than being upset about the planet? . . . There’s definitely a cult aspect. You see it in everything they’re demanding.

Schellenberger’s conclusion: the climate extremists “have won”:

[T]he climate extremists have won. Their demands and their discourse are so mainstream. . . .

My response to Schellenberger is, don’t be so sure. The extremists may seem to have the upper hand at the moment, but the missing piece is that they have no idea how our energy system works, and they are demanding a replacement that has zero chance of success. It’s only a question of when and how it will fail, and how damaging the consequences of the failure will be.

Consider as a counterpoint to Schellenberger a post today from a British guy named Paul Homewood at his website Not A Lot Of People Know That, with the title “Why Solar Power Is Useless In Winter.” Homewood has gone and gotten the hourly data on UK electricity generation from its solar panels from this website. For context, the typical electricity usage in the UK at this time of year is given by Homewood as 840 GWh, which would be 35 GWh for each hour of the day. The capacity of the solar generation facilities in the UK is given as 14 GW. That would mean, if the solar facilities produced at full capacity for the 24 hours, they would have produced some 336 GWh, or a full 40% of the UK’s usage for the day. But hey, it’s late November. The days are short, and the UK has lots of clouds. So how much did the solar facilities actually produce today? Here is the chart:

At around noon, the solar panels reached their peak of generation for the day at 1.33 GW — less than 4% of average usage. For the whole day, production from the solar panels was all of 5.46 GWh, or 0.65% of usage. The times of peak electricity demand are the early morning and evening. At those times the UK’s solar panels produced absolutely nothing. In fact, they produced nothing from midnight to 8 AM, and then from 4 PM on.

So how is the UK (or anywhere else) ever going to obtain a meaningful amount of its electricity in winter from solar panels? Well, considering just today, they could have built some 154 times as many solar panels as they currently have. With that, they could have obtained the exact amount of electricity that they actually consumed today. However, it still would have come mostly at mid-day when it was not needed, and nothing during the peak 6-8 AM and 5-8 PM windows. To cover those, you would need some kind of energy storage. Hundreds of gigawatt hours worth, just for today. Or you could try saving the energy up from the summer time when there is more sun. But for that, to cover the whole winter, you would need, for just the UK, some tens of thousands of gigawatt hours of storage, of a form that could store the energy for six or more months and then discharge over the course of months. Such a thing has not yet been invented, and it is not clear that it can ever be invented.

The current cult of the academic, journalistic and governmental elites suffers from the eternal problem of all central planners. They think they are brilliant — and in some ways they might be (high scores on SATs?) — but they have no idea at all how to engineer an energy system that will work. We all eagerly await for their planned utopia to crash and burn.


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1 posted on 12/01/2022 4:13:00 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

What if the plan really is for civilization to crash and burn?


2 posted on 12/01/2022 4:13:13 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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The harder they push the Gaia worship, the more pain it causes the middle class....and even the ethnic grievance groups Leftists rely on in elections. Ergo, the harder they push this, the more its going to result in a voter backlash.

The only question is how long it takes before people have had enough of it.


3 posted on 12/01/2022 4:18:22 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: MtnClimber

Good way to get rid of 6 billion unneeded people.


4 posted on 12/01/2022 4:19:56 AM PST by sopo
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To: All

It’s about complete and total communist control of the planet to “save the planet.”

All about more power to them and removing all of our freedoms.

Video of of a guy who had it with the protestors in France.

https://twitter.com/benallaoff/status/1597230950521655297


5 posted on 12/01/2022 4:27:28 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: MtnClimber
There will be many,many,*many* people freezing to death in this country this winter thanks to the EnviroNazis.Most will be older folks.But those scumbags,comfy as can be in mom's and dad's basement in Scarsdale,will hardly notice.
6 posted on 12/01/2022 4:28:31 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (I Miss Jimmy Carter)
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To: MtnClimber

https://edc.nyc/program/offshore-wind-nyc-waterfront-pathways-program


7 posted on 12/01/2022 4:29:31 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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“Such a thing has not yet been invented, and it is not clear that it can ever be invented.”

But But But
All that is required to get ‘such a thing’ invented is for the government to pass laws requiring a ‘such a thing’ to be invented.
I think this is called the “California Way”.
That will do it.


8 posted on 12/01/2022 4:30:02 AM PST by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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To: MtnClimber
What if the plan really is for civilization to crash and burn?

Exactly the problem.

9 posted on 12/01/2022 4:31:31 AM PST by marktwain
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To: TigerClaws

Dang. Those “orange vests” were some limp noodles.


10 posted on 12/01/2022 4:34:43 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: sopo
Good way to get rid of 6 billion unneeded people.

Yup. Freezing starving people die. It's 1930's Ukraine all over again - just on a global scale. Weird coincidence that the very same nation should be a hotbed of contention again now.

My question is, are the folks that are shutting down farms, as directed from Brussels, the good guys? Will they demand that Ukrainian farms shut down as well once the folks who are forcing the global Holodomor (with a creamy pedo topping) manage to finally kick pootin' (who is a scumbag no doubt) out?

11 posted on 12/01/2022 4:35:41 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: MtnClimber; Oldeconomybuyer

FTA: “some tens of thousands of gigawatt hours of storage, of a form that could store the energy for six or more months and then discharge over the course of months. Such a thing has not yet been invented, and it is not clear that it can ever be invented.”

Well, it does exist, it is called the Sun.
If only we had a useable form of that stored energy, held underground.


12 posted on 12/01/2022 4:41:20 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Machine-gun jumblies. How'd I miss that? - Austin Powers 2)
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Some Finns developed one, using sand.


13 posted on 12/01/2022 4:44:36 AM PST by Does so (It's not OUR guns...It's YOUR sons!)
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To: MtnClimber

I think that have won. Its a globalist chant for Communism and even our cowardly Republicans won’t point that out.


14 posted on 12/01/2022 4:44:49 AM PST by Kaiser8408a (z)
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To: MtnClimber
Could have just read the last line:

"...The current cult of the academic, journalistic and governmental elites suffers from the eternal problem of all central planners. They think they are brilliant — and in some ways they might be (high scores on SATs?) — but they have no idea at all how to engineer an energy system that will work..."

But I disagree with the assertion: "We all eagerly await for their planned utopia to crash and burn."

I sure as hell don't eagerly await it. There is going to be pain, privation, starvation, war, sickness, and death.

It is going to happen, because Utopia is unachievable. But I wish common sense could drive the failure of these Utopia-Seekers, and not the pain, privation, starvation, war, sickness, and death of billions.

15 posted on 12/01/2022 4:55:12 AM PST by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: MtnClimber

“The extremists may seem to have the upper hand at the moment, but the missing piece is that they have no idea how our energy system works,”

They don’t care how the system works, that’s not what winning is.
They have the levers of power, that’s winning.


16 posted on 12/01/2022 4:58:32 AM PST by Varda
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To: FLT-bird

*** Ergo, the harder they push this, the more its going to result in a voter backlash.***

It only matters who counts the votes. Voter backlash will never be observed.


17 posted on 12/01/2022 5:03:43 AM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TP)
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To: MtnClimber

The current, mainstream understanding of climate is wrong.
That misunderstanding leads to totally false/fake computer models.
When one assigns to climate the proper understanding - that of a thermodynamic system - then all shakes out correctly and with no misleading atmospheric influence. CO2 has naught to do with causing climate. The atmosphere merely converts the climate’s thermal store into weather.


18 posted on 12/01/2022 5:54:32 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: MtnClimber

If anyone looks at the long term graphs of temperatures, or thinks hard about the decay process of dead organisms, you have to almost laugh at the concept of climate change. Its ridiculous. The fact is that the world is normally about ten degrees hotter than it is now. The earth is about 4.5 billion years old. And in the first half of its life the world was too hot for almost all life to survive. After that there was a time when ice sheets covered the earth to the equator. But after that we have swung from much hotter than we are to much cooler. Right now we are below average. But the world can get 30 degrees warmer and still stay within the range it has been in without human interference.

And when the world gets warmer as it will surely do, it releases more CO2 into the atmosphere. And as it does things get greener. We are headed to the Garden of Eden. Alligator and palm tree fossils have been found above the arctic circle. Greenland was once very green. Plants and animals both cause CO2 release. They die, or shed parts that die like leaves or fur and poop. And that part decays. And if its exposed to the air we get CO2 in some form, often methane. But if its not exposed to air its stored underground as peat or natural gas or oil or coal. All were once on the surface in living things. And we dig it up, and it comes back to the surface. Not a problem. It was here before. Now its back.

What many people don’t understand is that CO2 is being produced far faster than we can burn it. Your lawn, your tree leaves, our dog, your grandmother are all sources of CO2. As are the forests and the prairies and the rivers and oceans. We don’t create CO2 its here. We dig up trapped CO2 and release it. Maybe our species is like an earthworm or a farmer tilling his fields. We are digging up trapped carbon and making it useful again. All part of nature’s and God’s plan.


19 posted on 12/01/2022 6:37:12 AM PST by poinq
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To: MtnClimber

Ping


20 posted on 12/01/2022 6:48:09 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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