Posted on 10/04/2022 2:47:01 AM PDT by David Chase
WARREN, Mich. – Paige Cole is one of the “Anons.” The mother of three from Eastpointe, Michigan, says Joe Biden is a sham president and believes Donald Trump will soon be reinstated to the White House to finish the remainder of Biden’s term.
“His whole inauguration was fake. He didn’t have real military people. He had, like, fake badges, fake people. And Trump is actually our president,” she said while waiting in line for his latest rally on Saturday at Macomb Community College. Wearing a pink “Trump 2024” hat and draped in a large “TRUMP WON” flag, Cole — a former Democrat who says she voted twice for Barack Obama — began to cry as she described the significance of Trump's return and the 1,000 years of peace she believes will be ushered in with it. “It’s gonna change everything,” she says, "like we have never in humanity seen before.”
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Yes, that was me. If Trump completely disavowed Q, they would come up with an excuse for it and still believe he is Q+ and still vote for him.
Help or hurt? The lefty media have been harping in the Trump and “QAnon” connection for some time already. It will fire up the Dem base, so of course they do. If moderate Republicans and right-leaning Independents learn what Q is and think Trump is embracing the Q thing, they will lose some enthusiasm and might stay home. That’s my take, anyway FWIW. We’ll see how it goes.
Wrongo, ex-lax. If people learn what Q is and figure out it's a Trump/MI operation, they will finally wake up, read the Q information, break out of the matrix, and see the world for what it really is. You included, cookie maker.
That's when the world changes.
We call it the Great Awakening.
So riddle me this, Catwoman. If 'the Q thing' is so harmful to Trump, nay America, why is it that Trump DOESN'T completely disavow it. After all, that's all it'd take to make me jump ship.
Let's hear your best conspiracy theory.
*fidna take notes*
Oh yes. I'd love for all that stuff to be true. I don't think it is, but if it were? Hey, it's Camelot!
Re: 141 - I believe it’s just schtick. President Trump welcomes all supporters. Whatever he publicly does in regard to Q, reading into that either negatively or positively is just speculation. But that won’t stop the media.
The same with things like President Trump criticizing Minority Leader McConnell. I believe it’s just for show. How do you explain President Trump being mentioned in ads put out by the National Republican Senatorial Committee? Trump or McConnell could put a stop to ads using Trump as a fundraising method. They don’t.
Like it or not, President Trump has worked and continues to work with Deep Staters and in several areas is supportive of the Deep State (e.g. his support of banning bump stocks and red flag laws). It’s just the way it is. As you and others point out it is how Trump is portrayed in the media that carries a lot of weight.
He’s still a good agent for change regarding Washington corruption.
True, whatever Trump does or doesn’t do will be subjectively interpreted by the media — and to that I’ll add by Q followers as well. They have convinced themselves that Trump is Q+ and nothing will dissuade them from that belief. They imagine he is sending them secret signals. There’s a Q pattern in Melania’s dress that only they seem able to discern. They imagine Trump “drew an air Q” that only they seem to be able to see. While on a ReTruthing spree, Trump ReTruths some meme posted by a Q follower that flatters him and it’s a “proof”.
As I posted earlier, the fact that Trump bans people wearing or selling Q gear from his rallies does not make so much as a dent in their belief that he is Q+. He does not need to pander to them.
The Biden administration has been a disaster. The Dems have nothing positive to run on. All they can do is distract from their messes and positive messaging from their Republican opponents. So they hammer Jan6, the FBI raid and the Q thing to fire up their base, dampen enthusiasm among Republican moderates and turn Independents off Republicans.
No wonder they decided way back when that they would paint Republicans as “The Party of Q” for the midterms. See my post #106 for link:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4098062/posts?page=106#106
The Q thing is not growing, no matter how much they claim it is. Apparently, there is a fairly consistent percentage of Americans who go in for wild conspiracy theories that does bot change over time:
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Even QAnon, the über conspiracy theory involving a covert cabal of Satanic pedophiles and an anonymous tipster on a message board, did not accrue believers according to the polling data showed here. Whether the question was overt (“are you a believer in QAnon?”) or roundabout (asking about a deep state or about elites engaged in a massive child sex trafficking racket), the numbers did not significantly budge between 2019 and 2021.
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Of course the Q followers believe their “Storm” will come to pass (keep moving the date every time it fails to materialize) and imagine we “normies” will have to bow down to them and admit we were wrong and they were right as we watch the executions of Hillary Clinton and Tom Hanks on live TV. Quite the fantasy ending, no? But it’s what they live for, having lost family and friends to their Q obsession.
The Dems keep harping about how “dangerous” Q followers are. How silly. They sit at their keyboards and openly claim they are “saving the world with memes”. That doesn’t seem dangerous to me! But Q is not an entirely benign phenomenon. Q followers have committed suicide over it, and a few have killed family members, but the larger toll is in broken marriages, families and divided churches. And there’s plenty of money to be made out of it. In this video, the pastor of the made-up Patriot Church in Lenoir City, TN says he’s been receiving $20,000 per month in donations since he started preaching the Q gospel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gttqzP68HHQ
These Q grifters are getting their thirty pieces of silver, but seem to care not what it’s doing to marriages, families and churches. Some family members of Q followers who previously supported Trump have understandably turned against him most bitterly. Some have grown disillusioned with their churches and left Christianity altogether. It’s not just the Q followers affected by this thing. It’s families and churches, too. No, they don’t represent huge numbers any more than Q followers themselves do, but they are real people suffering real human losses.
Now even the Moonies are getting in on it. This bunch just bought a huge property in rural Grainger County in East Tennessee (also properties near Waco, Texas and other places):
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The MAGA-loving religious sect that worships with AR-15s has purchased a 130-acre property on a mountain in eastern Tennessee to serve as a “training center” and holy ground for its devoted, gun-toting followers, VICE News has learned.
The latest property acquisition is more evidence that Pastor Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon, a fervent conspiracy theorist and son of an accused cult leader, is determined to expand his reach into the American Heartland.
Moon’s congregation, Rod of Iron Ministries, also known as The World Peace and Unification Sanctuary, is a gun-centric spinoff of the much larger Unification Church, founded by his late father, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a self-proclaimed messiah and businessman whose followers were famously known as “Moonies.” The younger Moon, who also goes by “The Second King,” split from the main church amid a dramatic falling-out with his mother about who, between the two of them, was the rightful heir to his father’s empire.
In 2017, Moon founded his church in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, siphoning off hundreds of followers from the main congregation who were willing to make the seemingly radical leap of incorporating high-powered rifles into their spiritual life. He did this with the backing of his older brother, Kook-jin “Justin” Moon, the CEO of Kahr Arms, a gun manufacturing company headquartered nearby. In recent years, he’s made headlines for recreating the mass wedding ceremonies that his father’s church was famous for, with the addition of AR-15s.
Sean and Justin Moon, plus other senior church officials, were also at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and posted videos of themselves emerging from clouds of tear gas. Sean has also courted fringe MAGA-world figures; this weekend, the annual Rod of Iron Freedom Fest at the Kahr Arms headquarters in Greeley will include speakers such as former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, ex–NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch, far-right Proud Boy ally Joey Gibson, and GOP congressional candidate Teddy Daniels.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4avkdw/rod-of-iron-ministries-purchases-property-in-tennessee
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They’ve been making the news in East Tennessee some with their weirdness.
Why in the world are Republicans having anything to do with these crackpots?
Pulpit & Pen is yet another hardshell Babtist cessationist voice afflicted with a mighty strong demonic “religious spirit” . Pot, kettle, black.
Although they do call out Beth Moore as the Worst Christian of the Year (LOL, is that Scriptural to do that??!?) and I happen to agree with them that she’s not one whose teaching I’d sit under.
As a reminder, the execrable never-trumper babtist Russell Moore is a bird of a feather with P&P.
Thanks. I don’t know much about Pulpit & Pen or the ins and outs of Southern Baptist internal workings and relations, not being a Southern Baptist myself. I’m aware of the differences between the Cessationists and Continuationists (there has been a similar phenomenon in the Episcopal Church but not so much discussed, as there are regular Episcopal Churches and those that are known as Charismatic), but was under the impression that most Southern Baptists actually fall somewhere in the middle of these two extremes (as do most Epicopalians).
What little I know of Hardshell Baptists (also called Foot Washing Baptists and Primitive Baptists) is that they tend to live in small mountain communities in East Tennessee, Western North Carolina and the mountainous areas of Kentucky and Virginia and historically did not get along with the other Baptists and the Methodists who also lived in those areas. Being Cessationists, they really did not get along with the Pew Walking Methodists. Like the Cambellites, they forbid musical instruments in their churches, but unlike the Cambellites practice foot washing (and I know they divide up the congregation by sex for the foot washing).
While driving slowly past one of those Hardshell Baptist Churches in Western North Carolina one fine spring day back in the 1980s I could hear the preacher through the open windows railing against the charming little Episcopal Church that was almost next door to it, claiming they were Satan worshippers because they had an organ and stained glass windows. I was headed to that Episcopal Church and found it sad he was scaring his congregation over what I considered nothing.
One of my grandmothers was a Southern Baptist and I attended church with her when visiting her as a child. In high school, I played piano for the early service at the Southern Baptist church my friend and neighbor attended (then went on to attend the regular service at my Episcopal church with my family afterward) and sometimes helped out with their youth program.
Many of my classmates growing up were Southern Baptists, too. So I know how their services go, and what they believe, but not much beyond that. Some were always trying to “save” me, which was sometimes faintly amusing, sometimes very uncool when they used subterfuge. I wasn’t considered a proper Christian because I wasn’t “born again” and had been Baptized as a baby. I thought this all a great pity and decided to play ambassador to show them we were all Christians who should get along, never criticising them or their church or trying to convert them to my denomination, but just being myself. In time, it worked. They valued me as a pianist and youth group leader and saw me as a fellow Christian even though I had once been a dreaded Episcopalian and remained an Episcopalian. And they stopped trying to “save” me. Yay. And of course I still have a soft spot for Southern Baptists, and they count among my friends old and new.
In my town, the Catholics and Southern Baptists share a chartered bus to attend the March for Life in Washington every year. There’s something both share in common and make common cause, even if they disagree on theology and church governance. It seems to me this is very American: agree to disagree on points of theology but work together as fellow Christians toward a Godly society in our country.
I do see a problem with these pastors who go out on their own, founding these churches outside of any denomination and with no and oversight over their finances. By that I mean pastors like Greg Locke who left the Southern Baptist Conference to set up his very own church with money pouring in and no financial oversight whatsoever. I also wonder how much the Southern Baptists invested in this man’s education, only for him to abandon the church to rake in money while delivering political rants. Ditto Ken Peters and his made-from-scratch Patriot Church who is apparently looking to set up franchises sort of like a fast food chain:
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Peters describes his organization as a “turnkey operation” for pastors who are willing to get on-board the Trump train, and preach from the pulpit that the “Trump was ripped off of the last election.”
For a 10% cut of church earnings, Peters will bring pastors into the fold, promote their churches, help them with tax filings as well as ensuring they’re sticking to the narrative he wants to promote.
Today, in addition to Peters’ home church in Knoxville, Tennessee, there are two Patriot Church campuses in Washington state, in Spokane and Moses Lake, and one in Lynchburg, Virginia.
Peters said he was getting ready to bring two more Patriot Church locations into the fold next month, adding that a lot more pastors want to get on board.
“I’m getting emails every day from pastors who want to be a part of this movement, so a regiment is arising. The two things the left fears the most are the words patriot and church, so at least we hope to make them a little bit.”
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Ten percent for The Big Guy! There ya go!
As for Beth Moore, it seems to me she, too, got caught up in politics, only in the opposite direction of Locke and Peters. While it would have been fine and IMHO admirable of her to eschew the politicization of churches such as Locke and Peters are doing, she herself got all political and too fond of a feminist agenda if I understand rightly. That’s the danger. I think the church should be about Jesus, not about politics. Yes, one’s faith will and should affect one’s politics and choice of candidates. That’s as it should be. But putting politics front and center in a church is a form of idolatry at best, blasphemy at worst. At least that is how I see it.
I notice Moore and Locke both broke from the SBC and went off on their own, Locke to rake in money and gain fame. Peters started his church in a Motel 8 near Spokane, Washington, and was never affiliated with any denomination.
One of the things I find a bit off-putting about some of the independent mega-churches and the speaking circuits of their celebrity preachers is the emphasis on particular celebrity preachers and teachers. Maybe it’s a personal thing, but I prefer a church where the focus is on Scripture and worship and the centrality of Holy Communion. The emphasis on putting a show and the antics of the preacher is well, just not my cup of tea.
I recognize that different forms of worship appeal to different people and I don’t think God particularly cares whether you have guitars and tambourines or a staid pipe organ in your church — or no instruments at all — to accompany the singing of praise. I’m not some stickler in that sense at all. I do think He cares where the focus is. The Southern Baptist churches I happened to visit seemed to me to have the right focus. Some of the independent televangelist types I have seen, not so much.
Billy Graham was an exception even though one could certainly say he had celebrity status. He was the real deal and he always emphasized and pointed to Jesus, not himself. One was left contemplating Jesus, not Billy Graham or any political figure. That is as it should be.
Unfortunately they have been outing Q via truth Social for months, including Q minded (or Christian Nationalist) candidates. There are several. Q folks call them MAGA, but only for us ‘normies’. I wish I could say they are exaggerating Q, but my brother and parents allow me to peruse their truth Social (in hopes of red pilling me). If anything the media has not yet brought out the truly frightening stuff. To me, most frightening is Q is mostly the religious right. Yet, as you said earlier they turn a blind eye to the destruction of family’s, marriages and churches (many Pastors are calling the movement satanic). This includes candidates too. They don’t care about character, only winning. Pro-gay, pro-trans, Muslim (like O-Zero), not to mention all the other crap candidates. Win or lose, we lose. I had to break for awhile due to the hypocrisy, which BTW is reported. We are a laughing stock as a party. The Q movement is destroying everything it touches.
Like you know what the Monolithic Christian Right will vote for. Nah...not buying your omnipotence.
Like I care what a QTard buys.
Someone declaring that Trump returning to the Whitehouse will usher in a Thousand years of Peace which the Bible clearly states will happen when Jesus returns is committing Blasphemy.
The non-Q-Christian Right will reject that and in fact already do.
Q Followers are dwindling. As more outrageous madness gets exposed.
You can’t make claims about or compare a man to Jesus and think it’s ok.
Anyone that thinks any man on Earth will bring on a Prophecy meant only for the Son of God, is committing a blasphemous sin.
Those lost or confused souls have my prayers.
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https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4098027/posts?page=1878#1878
I’m impressed with how you post something about me on the Q Thread Cletus as you know full well I’m not allowed on that Thread.
It tells me your courage to confront me in open forum, which is no courage at all.
My Truth Social account is open for all to see. You can go look and research all of my post and comments (golly I thought you Q people enjoyed and are expert researchers, guess not.)
I don’t recall ever commenting on Israel, or Jewish people, or that heart breaking day on 9/11.
Not once. Not to anyone.
I have made comments here regarding Israel, and Jewish people.
Oh and I haven’t checked so it’s just a guess, but I think I have actually blocked a total of about 8 people on Truth Social.
Give or take 2 or 3.
So you keep staying in your safe space Cletus and posting about me.
I think it’s cute.
Yes, I know.
So does ‘cherry’, who appears to be your friend, your fan, or one of your cheerleader-sycophants on the Q-thread.
Bagster, to whom it was directed for the HUMOROUS effect, knows also.
Does that seem unfair Dave?
That you can’t come play with the grown-ups?
I find it pretty damn sad that you can’t laugh at your self.
You self-awareness and sense of humor just sucks, Dave.
It just sucks all the humor out of the thread when you are on it.
Nothing is funny any more.
Gads...just typing this is depressing.
Thanks Dave, you have ruined my afternoon.
ASSPRESS is the REAL FRINGE.
Those rallys are A LOT OF FRINGE, A BIG NUMBER FOR A FRINGE, AP IS WHISTLING PAST THE RALLYS.
BUMS!
You want to trigger a leftie, “Saying Trump Won” works every time :)
Looks like little jeremiah (Pepe Lives Matter) is on that list, too. Lol! You can’t make this stuff up!
Scroll down to the bottom of this post for conformation little jeremiah is Pepe Lives Matter:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4098027/posts?page=2010#2010
I thought bagster was back in the hospital? Hope he gets better soon, and I sincerely mean that.
Ugh confirmation not conformation. Darn spellchecker. Little Jeremiah is not a horse, so far as I know.
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