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Winston Tunnel
Atlas Shrugged | Ayn Rand

Posted on 09/30/2022 3:44:58 AM PDT by EBH

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To: Lurker

That is a corollary of the rule, “Do unto others before they do unto you.”


41 posted on 09/30/2022 6:53:11 AM PDT by curious7
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To: MissEdie

Yeah. they are walking, talking examples of Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.


42 posted on 09/30/2022 6:59:23 AM PDT by curious7
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To: EBH; ClearCase_guy

“If they are Do-Gooders, how can they reject truth and facts?”

That’s the definition of do-gooders - people who make decisions strictly based on emotions. Facts, truth, logic, cause and effect are foreign to them, even despised by them.

They are what I call the “pathological compassionates”, who believe that everyone regardless of how destructive their behavior is to themselves and society deserves compassion.

Worse yet they insist on delegating their compassion to everyone else, by voting for people who will pass laws to that effect.

And for whatever reason they manage to get their way.


43 posted on 09/30/2022 7:56:15 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: Brass Lamp

“The supposedly earned-wealth of all of her theoretical protagonists was always fiat currency backed up by the threat of government violence.”

Yes, the very same currency we all use, the supposed income and supposed wealth of all (supposed?) Americans.


44 posted on 09/30/2022 7:58:45 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Mandate party: slavery, segregation, Indian removal, experimental vaccines)
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To: ConservativeInPA

‘Our value/belief system is predicated in a belief in God’

our belief system, as stipulated in the U.S. constitution, is predicated upon the principle of fervent anti-monarchism; our founding document does not mention God, it cites the Deist concept of Creator, an entity premised upon formulation, but not interference, with the progress of its creation...we can debate the comparative values of Deist vs Theist all day long, but we cannot debate which of the systems our country is built upon...

in any event, one could logically argue that accepting God’s creation of the world and its inhabitants, it follows that He would not favor one principle of human governance over another; if He created all of us, He loves all of us, capitalist, communist, freemen or facist, regardless of all our various warts and follies...


45 posted on 09/30/2022 8:28:46 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Brass Lamp; EBH

“Rand (who was educated in a communist institution) was a low-functioning sociopath who picked up on the internalized morality of communism and repackaged that philosophy as her own without the intellectual wherewithal to realize that she was just another anti-christian-post-morality leftist saying the quiet part out loud.”

Whoa! You can almost taste the venom oozing from that post.

Sounds like you’re one of those fundamentalist closed minded Bible thumping, “loving christian”, who regards anyone who dares to criticizes religion, or specifically Christian do-gooders, to be Satan incarnate. Am I close?

To call her a communists is to be completely unhinged from reality. It’s like calling white black, up down, war peace...

You have it against her for one and one reason only - she wasn’t fond of religion including Christianity. And that blinds you to all her other virtues.

And I would not be at all surprised that if it wasn’t for her criticism of religion you would agree with most everything she espouses and be her biggest cheerleader. Am I right?

Now, as a good Christian be honest.


46 posted on 09/30/2022 8:29:51 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: 4Liberty; ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; antceecee; ...
A FReeper has posted a thread on the Winston Tunnel incident from Atlas Shrugged. This has spawned commentary on Rand's philosophy.
47 posted on 09/30/2022 8:32:51 AM PDT by Publius
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To: EBH

Back to the top.


48 posted on 09/30/2022 8:50:59 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
Sadly, Rand’s only “solution” is to apply force and kill them. She lacked morality, but, in the end, may be right.

NO!   Not at all.   She never thought the solution is to apply force and kill them.

If anything she would leave them to themselves to inevitably perish of their own flawed beliefs and actions.   Effectively letting them destroy themselves.

Actually that reflects the whole premise of the book.

49 posted on 09/30/2022 10:00:46 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Publius

That post reads like a psychological description of most politicians (both parties), government employees (federal & state), 81,000,000 voters, and all the MIVs streaming across the borders...

Apophis is our most probable solution...


50 posted on 09/30/2022 10:19:40 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: ArtDodger

For the 4th time!


Slacker!


51 posted on 09/30/2022 10:28:43 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (...if my people, who are called by my name...)
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To: EBH; Publius

There was a book study group right here on FR a few years ago.


Publius led it.


52 posted on 09/30/2022 10:30:24 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (...if my people, who are called by my name...)
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To: IrishBrigade
I was talking much more generally than the Constitution. Our Constitution was born of shared Christian beliefs and behaviors. Additionally, our founding fathers has a decent understanding of prior forms of government and the motivations/behaviors of people.

If you want to argue about beliefs, as in Western Civilization and traditional American briefs what really needs to asked is what is belief? That is very abstract. Perhaps then we could agree on people’s true beliefs can be defined in their behavior. That’s not perfect, but suffices. Our behaviors are formed in multiple ways, some is neurological, other’s environmental, and cultural to name a few. Historically, culture, which in includes religion, forms the basis of acceptable behavior in society. When religion was much more dominant in our society, there was greater unity, even among atheists, because the vast majority of people, even the atheists, conformed to the same standards of behavior. These behaviors were rooted in religious beliefs. In a sense, the majority of society rules when it com to acceptable behavior.

Presently, there is a big divide between those that have traditional beliefs/behavior and those that worship the state. More significantly, both camps are large. Thus, we seem extremes in acceptable behavior. For instance, being pro-life vs. pro-murder (abortion), and traditional and scientifically accepted gender (born male/female) vs. transgenderism (whatever you feel like at the moment).

Nearly every issue can be distilled into behavior. Western Civilization has advanced over the millennia based on Christian/Jewish behaviors. There is a wisdom that works. You can be non-religious, but still accept the wisdom found in the New and Old Testaments. The stories in both date back prior to their writing and some can be found in other religions, with names and minor details being different. These are archetypes. They exist and persist because they convey wisdom that is time proven.

Contrast that with the beliefs and behaviors of socialism/communism. Those are new beliefs. They are incompatible with the wisdom of Western Civilization. They fail, because it’s not wisdom at all. And when they fail, millions are brutally murdered, and others live their lives in abject misery.

The choice is clear for me. I am going to continue to behave has a Christian. That doesn’t ever require me to believe in Christ (which I do).

53 posted on 09/30/2022 10:36:37 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: aquila48
Sounds like you’re one of those fundamentalist closed minded Bible thumping, “loving christian”, who regards anyone who dares to criticizes religion, or specifically Christian do-gooders, to be Satan incarnate. Am I close?

Well, since you had the courtesy to associate doing good with Christianity, I'll make the concession. As far as slings and arrows go, this isn't a bad one to catch.

54 posted on 09/30/2022 10:44:58 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: OwenKellogg; EBH
And it turned into a book available at Amazon. Who is John Galt: A Navigational Guide to Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
55 posted on 09/30/2022 10:46:34 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

Good book ...

https://www.amazon.com/Who-John-Galt-Navigational-Shrugged/dp/1482654490


56 posted on 09/30/2022 10:53:28 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (...if my people, who are called by my name...)
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To: IrishBrigade
our belief system, as stipulated in the U.S. constitution, is predicated upon the principle of fervent anti-monarchism; our founding document does not mention God, it cites the Deist concept of Creator, an entity premised upon formulation, but not interference, with the progress of its creation...we can debate the comparative values of Deist vs Theist all day long, but we cannot debate which of the systems our country is built upon...

WE must also not apply our modern day biases, beliefs, understanding, or presumptions to our Founding Fathers.   The "founding document does not mention God, it cites the Deist concept of Creator", possibly because the only recognized Theologians of the day were part of the British Government that had oppressed us.

That system still exists today, with the Church of England, King Charles III being the Lord Protector of the Realm, represented in the House of Lords with the Bishops and Archbishops seated in Parliament as Lords Spiritual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Spiritual

The monarch has been supreme head of the Church of England since 1558.

57 posted on 09/30/2022 11:21:09 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Brass Lamp

Do-gooder...

“One who advocates or performs what they believe to be the morally superior course of action, even in the face of overwhelming experience or factual evidence that its effect is only irrelevant or harmful.”

You fit that description to a T... but you knew that.


58 posted on 09/30/2022 11:54:39 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: aquila48
Do-gooder...

Well, at least I don't advocate a philosophy the end-goal purpose of which is to moralize rape (true fact).

59 posted on 09/30/2022 12:30:20 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: EBH

Thank you for posting this. I thought it was one of the more haunting passages of AS and I think about it often when I have to listen to libtards.

I need to purchase Rand’s works again. I lent all mine out and they never returned, which is fine if they are still circulating out there somewhere.


60 posted on 09/30/2022 1:17:10 PM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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