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To: ConservativeInPA

‘Our value/belief system is predicated in a belief in God’

our belief system, as stipulated in the U.S. constitution, is predicated upon the principle of fervent anti-monarchism; our founding document does not mention God, it cites the Deist concept of Creator, an entity premised upon formulation, but not interference, with the progress of its creation...we can debate the comparative values of Deist vs Theist all day long, but we cannot debate which of the systems our country is built upon...

in any event, one could logically argue that accepting God’s creation of the world and its inhabitants, it follows that He would not favor one principle of human governance over another; if He created all of us, He loves all of us, capitalist, communist, freemen or facist, regardless of all our various warts and follies...


45 posted on 09/30/2022 8:28:46 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
I was talking much more generally than the Constitution. Our Constitution was born of shared Christian beliefs and behaviors. Additionally, our founding fathers has a decent understanding of prior forms of government and the motivations/behaviors of people.

If you want to argue about beliefs, as in Western Civilization and traditional American briefs what really needs to asked is what is belief? That is very abstract. Perhaps then we could agree on people’s true beliefs can be defined in their behavior. That’s not perfect, but suffices. Our behaviors are formed in multiple ways, some is neurological, other’s environmental, and cultural to name a few. Historically, culture, which in includes religion, forms the basis of acceptable behavior in society. When religion was much more dominant in our society, there was greater unity, even among atheists, because the vast majority of people, even the atheists, conformed to the same standards of behavior. These behaviors were rooted in religious beliefs. In a sense, the majority of society rules when it com to acceptable behavior.

Presently, there is a big divide between those that have traditional beliefs/behavior and those that worship the state. More significantly, both camps are large. Thus, we seem extremes in acceptable behavior. For instance, being pro-life vs. pro-murder (abortion), and traditional and scientifically accepted gender (born male/female) vs. transgenderism (whatever you feel like at the moment).

Nearly every issue can be distilled into behavior. Western Civilization has advanced over the millennia based on Christian/Jewish behaviors. There is a wisdom that works. You can be non-religious, but still accept the wisdom found in the New and Old Testaments. The stories in both date back prior to their writing and some can be found in other religions, with names and minor details being different. These are archetypes. They exist and persist because they convey wisdom that is time proven.

Contrast that with the beliefs and behaviors of socialism/communism. Those are new beliefs. They are incompatible with the wisdom of Western Civilization. They fail, because it’s not wisdom at all. And when they fail, millions are brutally murdered, and others live their lives in abject misery.

The choice is clear for me. I am going to continue to behave has a Christian. That doesn’t ever require me to believe in Christ (which I do).

53 posted on 09/30/2022 10:36:37 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: IrishBrigade
our belief system, as stipulated in the U.S. constitution, is predicated upon the principle of fervent anti-monarchism; our founding document does not mention God, it cites the Deist concept of Creator, an entity premised upon formulation, but not interference, with the progress of its creation...we can debate the comparative values of Deist vs Theist all day long, but we cannot debate which of the systems our country is built upon...

WE must also not apply our modern day biases, beliefs, understanding, or presumptions to our Founding Fathers.   The "founding document does not mention God, it cites the Deist concept of Creator", possibly because the only recognized Theologians of the day were part of the British Government that had oppressed us.

That system still exists today, with the Church of England, King Charles III being the Lord Protector of the Realm, represented in the House of Lords with the Bishops and Archbishops seated in Parliament as Lords Spiritual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Spiritual

The monarch has been supreme head of the Church of England since 1558.

57 posted on 09/30/2022 11:21:09 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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