Posted on 09/17/2022 6:33:31 PM PDT by lowbridge
You still can’t pack a lithium battery in your checked luggage, but by decade’s end you may be held aloft by aircraft engines powered by lithium batteries.
Thursday, Air Canada announced a purchase agreement with Heart Aerospace for 30 of its 30-passenger ES-30 electric-hybrid aircraft it plans to put into service in 2028.
Last year, United Airlines announced the purchase of 100 Heart Aerospace 19-seat all-electric ES-19 planes, and its regional partner, Mesa Airlines (probably better know as United Express), said it was also purchasing 100 ES-19 aircraft, Business Insider reported.
United’s venture capital fund, United Airlines Ventures, joined Breakthrough Energy Ventures and Mesa Airlines in investing in Heart Aerospace, a Swedish startup, with hopes of taking delivery of ES-19 planes by 2026.
Electric planes operate completely on battery power; electric-hybrids feature on-board supplemental generators that use standard aviation fuel.
The electric or electric-hybrid aircraft are envisioned for use in short-haul regional and commuter service. Turboprop planes have long been used in this service but customer demand forced regional carriers to switch to small jets.
Using jets for short hauls is very expensive, according to a Business Insider report from 2020. Electric planes are limited in range, but with lower operating costs than jets, they might be workable in regional service.
That’s apparently the direction Air Canada, United and Mesa are going — electric vehicles for short hauls.
The goal of the ES-19 is a range of 250 miles by the end of the decade. Air Canada said the ES-30 hybrid can fly all-electric 124 miles and 244 miles with its supplemental generators. The range more than doubles to 500 miles if the plane carries only 25 passengers instead of 30.
But here come the problems. First of all, reduction of passenger load on the ES-30 to increase range is
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ROTFL!
“You still can’t pack a lithium battery in your checked luggage,”
When you lead off with a lie ......
In-fu**ing-sane. Truly stupid to use batteries in cars. To use them to power aircraft goes beyond anything I even have words for.
What is turn around time to charge batteries? Once they dump the toilets, pick up the litter, reload the refreshments, and board the passengers, can they still get a 45 minute turnaround to get back in the air?
Flying bricks.
No thanks, I’ll stick with a Piper.
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Posted on 01/24/2021 11:31:27 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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Everything about this article is stupid, from the first line to the last. None of it makes engineering sense.
These planes do not exist and never will exist. Unless there is a quantum leap in battery capacity, the numbers just don’t add up.
Yes
“These planes do not exist and never will exist. Unless there is a quantum leap in battery capacity, the numbers just don’t add up.”
How do the numbers not add up?
Known as the Flaming Comet
The founder of Mesa, L. Risley probably not turning in his grave, but knowing him for over 10 years, and how new tech intrigued him, is probably cheering his old Company on.
Is there any point to this other than virtue signaling to radical greens?
“the numbers just don’t add up.”
How does going electric change the economic equation?
Our electric motor is about 20 times less expensive than a similarly-size turboprop, and about a 100 times less expensive than the cheapest turbofan. More importantly, maintenance costs are more than 100 times lower. These lower operating costs will make 19-seater electric aircraft competitive to 70-seater turboprop aircraft.
No thanks. I like living.
Just plane stupid. That is all.
Electric commercial transports absent any regeneration on board whatsoever.
Engineering ethics: Just because you can, doesn’t mean that you should.
I would quit before being forced to participate in such an asinine project.
can hardly believe taxpayer-funded “climate all the time” ABC Australia has finally reported some inconvenient truths about lithium-ion battery fires.
note the QFES admission they haven’t been focusing on these fires until now!
note they claim they happen predominantly when they are charging...except for when they are just put in the trash can and get shaken & stirred!
finally, and probably the reason for the article in the first place, there’s the admission lithium-ion may be on the way out!
if they abandon lithium-ion, will the expensive roll-out of electric chargers work with their replacement, or will a whole new set of chargers have be funded worldwide?
17 Sept: ABC Australia: Fears fires caused by lithium-ion batteries will ‘increase considerably’ as popularity of electric scooters rises
By Melanie Vujkovic
There were 46 fires ignited by the common type of batteries in Queensland during the last financial year.
This is the first time statistics specifically listing them as the cause of a blaze have been kept, after Queensland Fire and Emergency Service (QFES) crews noticed it becoming more common.
Superintendent Mark Halverson, executive manager of QFES’s safety section, said the number is “increasing rapidly”...
(Ruth Knibbe, a researcher at the University of Queensland’s School of Mechanical and Mining Engineering): “The fires predominantly occur when your battery is charging.”...
Superintendent Halverson said people should also take care when disposing of batteries, whether because they have reached their use-by date or they have been damaged...
Brisbane City Council said over the past three years there had been 28 known instances of garbage trucks having to dump their loads onto the street after catching fire, however the cause of these fires cannot always be determined...
Researchers at the University of Queensland are among teams around the world trying to develop a “faster-charging and more sustainable” aluminium-ion battery alternative...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-17/qld-lithium-ion-battery-fires-risk/101428618
Once again where is the money for the Grid expansion coming from and all the Copper needed to make it all work?
Then we have all that demand for Lithium, where will all that come from?
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