Inside the mind of one of my very smart pro-vax friends

substack.com ^ | August 22, 2022 | Steve Kirsch

[ransomnote]

Here's how they think. It's 100% based on deference to authority. If you ask them for data to back up their claims, they stop responding.

Steve Kirsch

Aug 22

 

 

 

I recently talked to a friend of mine at a recent social event. We’ll call him Bob. He’s super smart about most things. But when it comes to the vaccine, he’s blind to the truth.

He was bragging about how he has been vaxxed 6 times with the COVID vax and he’s perfectly healthy. He can’t wait for SB 866 in California to pass so when his kids turn 12, they can decide to get the vaccine over their mother’s objections.

Bob thinks I’m a nut case, cherry picking data. He says I used to be respected, but after turning anti-vax, people have lost all respect for me. He said I have a religious belief about the vaccine and I’m not driven by data.

What he isn’t telling anyone is that he’s been losing his vision ever since he got his first COVID vaccine. He used to have 20/20 vision, but now he wears glasses and can’t drive at night. When I brought up the data showing the connection between the shots and vision loss, he changed the topic.

I showed him two papers showing the more you vaccinate, the sicker you get (see the two papers here). I asked, “Where are the papers that show the opposite?” He ignored my request.

He gets his belief system from the mainstream media. Full stop. He reasons that if I was correct, surely Bill Gates would agree with me and admit they goofed. It’s 100% deference to authority.

MORE AT LINK: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/inside-the-mind-of-one-of-my-very

 

[DugwayDuke]

The statements by Fauci, et al, do not justify a belief in the lies spread by Malone, Mercola, Wakefield, Kirsch, etc.

[metmom]

You ignored the point, which I expected.

Let me put it more plainly.

You are doing the very thing you condemn in others.

It’s called “hypocrisy”.

[DugwayDuke]

metmom wrote: “You ignored the point, which I expected.”

And, you ignored my point which is you’re guilty of what you’re accusing others of doing which is called ‘hypocrisy’.

[bagster]

Who is Harry Potter?

Really?

He's the mudblood that little Aryan-Sltherin pureblood was talkin' about. Who doesn't know this.

Are you sure you're not a Russian bot?

[bagster]

The statements by Fauci, et al, do not justify a belief in the lies spread by Malone, Mercola, Wakefield, Kirsch, etc.

Actually they do, my logic impaired vax-bot.

#VaxWayPuke

[Polynikes]

You will have to excuse Jim. He doesn’t get much these days.

[Triple]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4507798/

Adenovirus vector technology is a gene therapy technology. NIH link above…

[wannabegeek]

Nope, so-called Covid-19 or SARS-CoV-2 was never been isolated as pure and free state.  They falsified the isolation procedure by first adding the supposedly gathered samples from supposedly diseased by Covid-19 poeple, mix the samples with Vero cells, liver cancer cells, etc., and they call that isolation. 

Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of isolate means

• to set apart from others also : quarantine
• to select from among others especially : to separate from another substance so as to obtain pure or in a free state

If samples first mixed with something else before trying to isolate, purify and pure culture, that's not isolation.

Many media pundits, law firms and private individuals made FOIA request to CDC, NIH, etal, CDC response?  CDC does not purify nor isolate any Covid-19 virus in the manner the requester described."  Which means isolate the virus as pure culture.  You can read the explanation here.  I go to a mega church, we went back in-person church service since April 2020 in defiance to City and State ordinance about social distancing, bla-bla-blah.  The City and the State filed lawsuit to sanction and penalize the church.  Christian lawyers from Moore Law Group that represented the church at discovery phase before trial ask the City and State to provide the Covid-19 virus isolation data and documentation.  City and State said they can't provide.  Why?  Of course they can't present a falsified isolation.  The City and State dropped the lawsuit, paid the church $1,000,000 for the attorney fees, and that was it.

Do you think the mainstream media like Reuters, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, etal, telling the truth about so-called Covid-19, Covid shots, flu shots, Biden their big guy, etal?  Your according to Reuters, LOL?  Gimme a break.  I don't even read their articles, if I do, I'd have to research from other news online I'd think reliable source.

As far as I know, no so-called human pathogenic viruses ever proven to cause disease the government's public health service encouraging people to boost their immune system to prevent being infected.  and no so-called human pathogenic viruses ever really ben proven to exist to satisfy Koch's Postulate. 

If you believe your Reuters as your reliable news source, go ahead, take all those 6 Covid-19 shots, all flu shots, hepatitis B shots, HIV shots, HPV shots, and also volunteer yourself to Pfizer to be laboratory rat!

[antceecee]

Not aware of what you are speaking of, but then again you are someone I highly question in the truth department.

[antceecee]

Truth telling will out them all.

[antceecee]

Wow! Applaud your post. Very surprised to see no other response!

[grey_whiskers]

So how sure are you that I am not a physician. You said it with authority. Show me the veracity of your statement. Or is it your opinion stated as fact.

Careful there, or someone will chime in with the retort, "It's impossible to prove a negative."

[grey_whiskers]

https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/miscarriages-needed-to-treat-a-new

*PING* to some very interesting number needed to treat back-of the envelope calculations on miscarriages vs. saving pregnant women from the ICU ...based on oddly incomplete “official” data.

Fun reading.

[metmom]

Thank you.

Ping to post 195

[grey_whiskers]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/08/22/pfizer-covid-booster-omicron-submitted-fda-emergency-authorization/7844312001/?

Money quote:

"In the study, eight mice that were given the BA.5 booster dose about 100 days after receiving two doses of Pfizer’s original vaccine generated an immune response.

“To rely only on mouse data (for authorization) would be unprecedented in my knowledge and would certainly raise eyebrows,” said John Moore, a vaccine and virology expert at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. “It doesn’t mimic the human situation,” where many people were vaccinated more than a year ago and have since been boosted."

[metmom]

Imagine if Dr. Malone or Pierre Kory had said that.

Some people would have labeled them a q conspiracy theorists or hucksters or some such nonsense.

[grey_whiskers]

Meanwhile, with the original trials:

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial BMJ 2021; 375 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n2635 (Published 02 November 2021) Cite this as: BMJ 2021;375:n2635

Money quote:

In autumn 2020 Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla, released an open letter to the billions of people around the world who were investing their hopes in a safe and effective covid-19 vaccine to end the pandemic. “As I’ve said before, we are operating at the speed of science,” Bourla wrote, explaining to the public when they could expect a Pfizer vaccine to be authorised in the United States.1

But, for researchers who were testing Pfizer’s vaccine at several sites in Texas during that autumn, speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety. A regional director who was employed at the research organisation Ventavia Research Group has told The BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson (video 1), emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day.

[grey_whiskers]

Oh, and looky here.

Remember the "gain-of-function" / weaponization funded by Pfauci and/or Daszak in Wuhan?

Scientists in the US have been developing more harmful strains in mice to assist "in testing".

Kinda like the rationale for Daszak had in Wuhan, right?

Note to gassy and TrollHerd.

This article was published in Nature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01251-0

Money quote:

Researchers have developed a strain of SARS-CoV-2 that triggers severe COVID-19 symptoms in mice — an advance that could accelerate the creation of drugs and vaccines and help to illuminate the biology of the disease.

Mice aren’t naturally susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection. That’s because the virus does not recognize the mouse version of a receptor called ACE2, which the virus uses to enter cells. [snip]

To develop a more faithful model, Vineet Menachery at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, Texas, and his colleagues first infected mice with SARS-CoV-2 strains adapted to the rodents, then collected the virus from the animals’ lungs, infected more mice and repeated the process. Such ‘serial passaging’ eventually generated a SARS-CoV-2 strain that caused significant weight loss, lung damage and other signs of disease.

[DugwayDuke]

wannabegeek wrote: “Many media pundits, law firms and private individuals made FOIA request to CDC, NIH, etal, CDC response? CDC does not purify nor isolate any Covid-19 virus in the manner the requester described.” “

But, CDC and multiple other organizations have isolated the virus.

https://fullfact.org/health/CDC-document-viral-isolates/

[CatHerd]

Those of us who are unvaccinated and believe there are legitimate concerns about the vaccines, but don’t buy into all the unsupported and often easily disproved claims made by vax doomer bloggers (like Steve Kirsch) get it from both sides.

We get condemnation, ridicule and even death wishes from the Vax Nazis. We’re horrible, dangerous people for being unvaccinated and against mandates, and for not believing all all the fearmongering dished out by Fauci & Friends. We’re granny killers. We want our fellow human beings to die by convincing them not to get vaccinated (even if we’ve never so much as hinted to anyone they shouldn’t — I certainly haven’t). We must be Q followers or whacky right-wing extremists. We are pariahs. We get called nasty names and dehumanized by these zealots. Those of us who have vax nazis in our families are cut off and excluded from family gatherings. We aren’t (or weren’t) allowed by authorities to visit elderly loved ones in nursing homes. Some of us risk losing our jobs.

We also get condemnation, ridicule and even death wishes from the vax doomers. We’re horrible, dangerous people for not believing all the fearmongering dished out by the vax doomer bloggers. We’re killers. We want our fellow human beings to die by convincing them to get vaccinated (even if we’ve never so much as hinted to anyone they should — I certainly haven’t). We must be paid shills or leftist trolls. We are pariahs. We get called nasty names and dehumanized by these zealots. Those of us who have vax doomers in our families are cut off and excluded from gatherings.

So we are in a unique position, I suppose, to see the vax nazis and the vax doomers are just two sides of the same coin. On one extreme we have those who have submitted to the authority of Fauci & Friends. On the other, those who have submitted to the authority of Steve Kirsch, The Expose, etc. Both sides unquestioningly believe whatever their chosen authorities spout.

Anyone who points out proven facts which contradict or anyone who demonstrates flaws in these authorities’ assertions are viciously attacked with personal insults, name calling, false accusations, etc. It doesn’t matter which side. They are just alike except for which authorities they have chosen. Neither group can engage in reasoned debate or dispassionately analyze which assertions are flawed or unsupported by fact and which have real merit and are supported by verifiable facts. Logic and reason (and sometimes even basic math) have become foreign countries to them when it comes to the vaccines.

So, how did this happen? How did we get here? How did this polarization happen? How did those at both extremes become so wedded to their chosen authorities and ideologies they have abandoned reason and, in the case of conservatives, their formerly-held cherished principles?

Well, it’s complicated and hard to puzzle out. I certainly don’t have all the answers to that, but I have a few ideas. I ‘ll save those ideas for later, if anyone is interested in duscussing it. For now, I’ll just say it appears to me to be a constellation of factors, and that “Covid Time” was sort of a perfect storm, one where these factors aligned to create what we see now.