It makes hillbillies like you and pompous know-it-all government suck-bots like gas_dr, semi-retarded, and VaxHerd less stupid.
You know. You people.
Posted on 08/16/2022 9:39:23 AM PDT by ransomnote
Yeah, OK, gotcha.
The shots are really bad and are killing errybody up in here.
So why are you yelling at people HERE on FR about it?
Do you figure they are responsible somehow?
Vaxx designers? Distributors? Doctors? What?
Your anger seems misdirected.
Nice try at getting me to swallow the strawman bait.
They’re not killing everyone: but they are causing far more known side effects, then have ever been allowed for a REAL vaccine.
For a respiratory disease which kills << 1% of those infected;
for which most of the dead have 4 or more significant co-morbidities; and for which cheap and well-characterized OTC remedies were far more efficacious than the remedies which were ham-handedly forced on society from the top down: to be followed by the attempted forcing of the jabs.
At the very least, follow the money.
The trolls here love to say “How much is {such and such ‘grifter’} making.
Ignoring both the countless examples of whistleblowers/attempted whistleblowers or those who did not want to force the jabs, being threatened or losing their accreditation / livelihoods — AND the literal TENS OF BILLIONS IN RAW REVENUE to Pfizer and Moderna.
To say nothing of the revolving door between Big Pharma and govt. agencies tasked with keeping them in check.
(Pfizer has paid billions — with a “b” in fines for criminal behaviour over the last 20 years or so; and has a history of covering up side effects of drugs.)
More or less the medical equivalent of Wells Fargo forging people’s signatures onto loans they never applied for; or even trying to foreclose on people’s homes where the mortgage was held by another lender.
I think Vioxx was one of the most famous, but there have been many others.
So what does yelling at people HERE accomplish?
I’d guess nothing, except providing you an outlet.
The countries with a high incidence of endemic strongyloides infection, which appears to have been a co-morbidity leading to poor outcomes with the original CCP “Wuhan” variant.
It makes hillbillies like you and pompous know-it-all government suck-bots like gas_dr, semi-retarded, and VaxHerd less stupid.
You know. You people.
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Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA. Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism. In addition, because no product in which mRNA is the primary active ingredient has been approved, the regulatory pathway for approval is uncertain. The number and design of the clinical trials and preclinical studies required for the approval of these types of medicines have not been established, may be different from those required for gene therapy products, or may require safety testing like gene therapy products. Moreover, the length of time necessary to complete clinical trials and to submit an application for marketing approval for a final decision by a regulatory authority varies significantly from one pharmaceutical product to the next, and may be difficult to predict. [bold mine]
Link: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm
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So you cherry picked that sentence without giving the context. Whatever you need to do for/about a product within the government bureaucracy, you need to list a product class. Many regulations are keyed to product class. Trademarks are keyed to product class, too. Because mRNA vaccines are new, and mRNA is one ingredient of gene therapy, which is not new, it had been already classed as a gene therapy product by the bureaucracy. It does not mean the vaccines are gene therapy.
Of course pharmaceutical companies made a big profit. That's the reason they're in business. And they have stockholders to answer to.
What about these pharmaceutical industry cash cows?
Humira (adalimumab): $13.6 billion/yr
Harvoni (ledipasvir/sofosbuvir): $10 billion/yr
Enbrel (etanercept): $7.4 billion/yr
Do you think these are harmful?
Sure, the vaccines earned their makers even more, but how long will that last? Moderns is optimistically expecting $19 billion in sales for its Covid vaccine for the entire year of 2022. But how much will it be in 2023?
Yes, it's wrapped in a lipid envelope to keep it from degrading. The lipid used also acts as an adjuvant.
Yes, and viruses naturally have mRNA. Cows are natural. Is a filet mignon cut out of the cow and wrapped in porcine lipid unnatural and harmful?
Viruses enter our cells and alter them and turn them into little virus factories:
The ideas about the vaccines you espouse are very much in line with the stuff posted here from Stew Peters and The Expose and JD Rucker's NOQ Report. You post links to things about "QAnon Doc" Carrie Madej who claims the vaccines contain bio-sensing nanomachines designed to alter human DNA and control people’s minds (along with the usual Q stuff about the global elite pedophile ring and so on):
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88avy5/a-qanon-doctor-who-spoke-at-the-capitol-riots-said-the-covid-vaccine-is-a-witches-brew
And also posted a link to this interview of David Martin (who does not have a medical degree), who is also into "Climate investing" -- so it looks like he's grifting off both the antivaxxer doomers and the climate doomers. Nothing like a good doom merchant! He was in the "Plandemic" video, too.
https://usawatchdog.com/up-to-700-million-worldwide-will-die-from-cv19-vax-by-2028-dr-david-martin/
So you place your trust in the likes of these people. Just because Fauci and Birx turned out to be untrustworthy in a number of respects does not mean the vaxx doomers are trustworthy. I don't trust much of what I read in the MSM either, but that doesn't mean I have to think the World Weekly News' Bat Boy is real. Or David Icke's lizard people.
What "massive deleterious effects of the jabs"? Where is your proof of that?
I think you are onto something there. Ivermectin *would* be helpful in such countries! I mentioned the strongyloides thing in my post #124 here (penultimate paragraph):
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4086071/posts?page=124#124
Haha. Is that how you say it? They lied about every fundamental detail about the covid AND the vax, much like you do. I can see why you soft-sell their lies. Because they reflect on you.
When someone, an entire industry, lies so fundamentally, we can assume that the exact opposite is true.
That's how I deal with people like you and your smll posse of apologists.
#LyingLikeItsYourJob
Bagster, you know I have posted here before about how they got up in front of us and told boldface lies about the masks and other things. I know very well they lied and have said so.
I don’t know that *everything* that came out of their mouths was a lie. Bill Clinton was a serial liar, and I would not trust him farther than I could throw him, but I don’t know that *everything* he ever said was a lie.
By assuming the opposite is true, you are allowing liars to control you. Think about it.
How you deal with those who disagree with you is name calling and silly false accusations. Seems pretty lame to me. But it suits the style of your little posse.
You note that you bolded yourself that the FDA considered the clot shots a gene therapy.
Therefore, that's a reputable, official government source saying so; quoted by one of the clot-shot companies themselves.
Back in 2020.
Before you trolls came out of the woodwork attempting to discredit anyone standing against the clot shots -- because they hadn't been massively distributed, nor had many companies and the government attempted to force people to take them.
So all the rest of your attempted ad hominem is meaningless, and knowingly dishonest.
I wasn't cherry picking. It was an admission against interest by the company.
And they dig their own hole a little deeper in the next few sentences:
" In addition, because no product in which mRNA is the primary active ingredient has been approved, the regulatory pathway for approval is uncertain. The number and design of the clinical trials and preclinical studies required for the approval of these types of medicines have not been established, may be different from those required for gene therapy products, or may require safety testing like gene therapy products. Moreover, the length of time necessary to complete clinical trials and to submit an application for marketing approval for a final decision by a regulatory authority varies significantly from one pharmaceutical product to the next, and may be difficult to predict."
Yeah, they cut the hell out of the testing time -- REAL vaccines allow around 10 years for adverse events to manifest themselves. And sent out a legion of flying monkeys to cover up the signals being sent through VAERS.
And (laughs in American) -- so what if the company says their jab is not a gene therapy? It involves adulterated mRNA to cajole the body into making a foreign protein: and at that, not a natural foreign protein, but one where the sequence of the spike has been changed to stabilize it, in the conformation it has before fusing with the target cell.
The only excuse they have, is that it's not a therapy at all. Retrospective results prove that it does not prevent severe infection, and contrary to grandiose claims, cannot prevent either transmission, OR infection with subsequent strains: in fact it seems to prime the body to make additional antibodies to the injection-created spike protein, rather than reacting to whatever natural strain is out there.
Not to mention, why did these ding-dongs concentrate on something which would spread spike protein throughout the body, when
a) the spike protein is the harmful part of the virus
b) the nucleocapsid proteins in the virus are conserved far better from one strain of the virus to another
For the profit? They don't exist to make a profit.
They exist to make a profit within the law, while making products which do more good than harm, for which there are no cheaper, less expensive alternatives.
Otherwise, you get with medicine what you did with the early Pintos, where the company KNEW IN ADVANCE of the design flaw which caused the car to be liable to leak fuel and catch fire when rear ended; and for which emails among the executives showed they knew, and they decided to go ahead and produce the car and try to buffalo victims in court, rather than pay the $11/car it would take to solve the problem.
Kind of like all the adverse effects from the jabs themselves. You know the ones that even in the abbreviated clinical trials, were so bad, that Pfizer tried to get the results of their trials sealed for 75 years.
For the lipid envelope, it had to be specially engineered to not mess up the artificial mRNA it was carrying, while remaining stable enough to be transported in the body, AND to effectuate entry of the mRNA into the cells.
The people who were busy wrenching their own arms out of their sockets from patting themselves on the back so hard for getting stable lipid nanoparticles, failed to think about (or maybe the jab manufacturers ordered everyone to be quiet about) the transport of the LNPs far from the site of the injection: including crossing the blood-brain barrier.
There was a whistleblower from Pfizer who published internal results about that, as I recall.
And you're lying through your foul teeth when you say "I put my trust in" (a long list of strawmen articles you posted.)
If you bother to pull your head out of your ass, you can find I was posting to articles from Nature, The Lancet, The British Medical Journal and NEJM.
And you give yourself away by trying to link this to Q; there are sites which have saved all the Q posts, and Q does NOT emphasize or concentrate on the jabs. Out of over 4500 posts, only three (3) even contain the word "vaccine."
And I love this quote of yours:
"Just because Fauci and Birx turned out to be untrustworthy in a number of respects does not mean the vaxx doomers are trustworthy."
The vax doomers didn't have the full force of government, nor daily coverage in the MSM trumpeting and echoing everything thing they said.
But Birx and Pfauci DID. And they knowingly pushed the jabs, knowing them to be useless.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-deborah-birx-knew-covid-vaccines-not-protect-against-infection
She also admitted that 50% of those who died from omicron were both older and fully vaccinated.
But it gets worse.
Here's the first paragarph of a recent article from Virology Journaln (BMC Part of Springer Nature):
Recently, The Lancet published a study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning of immunity with time. The study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals. According to European Medicines Agency recommendations, frequent COVID-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. The decrease in immunity can be caused by several factors such as N1-methylpseudouridine, the spike protein, lipid nanoparticles, antibody-dependent enhancement, and the original antigenic stimulus. These clinical alterations may explain the association reported between COVID-19 vaccination and shingles.
Note that -- not just immune response to COVID-1984 variants, but overall immunity is impaired by the clot shots.
Get rekt, troll.
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01831-0
Recently, The Lancet published a study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning of immunity with time. The study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals. According to European Medicines Agency recommendations, frequent COVID-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. The decrease in immunity can be caused by several factors such as N1-methylpseudouridine, the spike protein, lipid nanoparticles, antibody-dependent enhancement, and the original antigenic stimulus. These clinical alterations may explain the association reported between COVID-19 vaccination and shingles.
You lose, troll.
This is a good case in point. I don’t think you can back that up.
I’m aware of the deceptive claim made in The Expose and a few other places but if you take the time to wade through the articles you find that claim is based on a laughable Wikipedia page on soccer deaths solely updated by internet randos.
Here's the baseline, troll-boi.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17143117/
between the years 1966 and 2004 there were 1,101 sudden deaths among athletes under the age of 35.
Do we all agree that 1966-2004 is long enough before the coof, that there is no contamination of the dataset by coof sufferers?
Now let's look at evidence of widespread myocarditis as a result of clot shots.
Now, here's the rate of myocarditis as a side effect of the clot shots, REPORTED TO VAERS over time as a histogram.
And nothing to see here. https://t.co/FYlXoRJWeO pic.twitter.com/8pP9mRx7rQ— Lars Svendsen (@NorsemanAnon) November 9, 2021
Here's a pic so you don't have to click:
And, yeah, I know about the "deBOOOOOONKING". Get stuffed.
Now here's a link to a site (by internet randos, natch).
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/
But the key thing: this site lists each and every athlete, in order by date, with a name, circumstances of their collapse, and links to external accounts. It even points out that the jab status for some of the athletes is unknown.
And that's fine.
Because the number of athletes who died in prior years, was 66 PER YEAR. But in January of 2022 alone, 87 died.
The clot shots are KNOWN to cause cardiovascular issues, retrospectively.
These effects are in line with mechanisms which were talked about by doctors long before the issues actually appeared.
And now the results are showing up in the real world.
If you want I can track down (if they haven't been censored) interviews with top athletes who lost the ability to perform, due to cardiovascular issues, right after the clot shot.
Like national-level mountain bikers who continually monitored their heart rate during a race and were on top of their body. Not some caricature like you pretend to paint.
So what other external factor is out there that is causing the huge increase in deaths?
I know.
Donald Trump.
No, no, it's...global warming!!
You lose again, troll.
Haha, did you really just say that? The chick who hears and repeats and supports the liars that she says she knows are lying? Sounds more to me like they control YOU, dear.
I think you live in opposite land and will try to justify your booshito till the wheels fall off.
The time for willful ignorance is past.
#WakeUpAndSmellWhatTheRockIsCooking
p.s. Grey Whiskers is bustin' you up. Stay down, Rock.
I said they lied about every FUNDAMENTAL detail about the covid and the vax. FUNDAMENTAL being the key word. Once you lay down a foundation of lies, then everything else is built on that foundation, my friend.
I bet ol' Fauci said the sky was blue once in a while, so he was capable of telling the truth once in a while, you got me there.
And for the record, just because people like you admit some truths doesn't take away from the foundation of lies that your entire shtick is based on.
Know that.
#TheClintonEffect
Why should I?
Why should you?
Look, some of Troll's friends.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU00074597
I had to go to the source to make sure you weren’t doing some selective editing where you started the graph. Nope, it was at about the same level between 2015 and Jan 2020. But, there was a similar slope in the increase between 2010 and 2015.
I wonder what other factors might play in to increases/decreases of “disability”. Is there an economic factor to it?
“Well, my back hurts but I’m making good money so I’ll keep working.”
“I can barely make ends meet with this lousy job and no good prospects. I think now is the time to get a note from my doctor about my bad back and go on disability.”
But yeah - the VAX sure seems like the obvious one here.
I recently made assertions regarding voter turnout in Kansas related to an abortion ballot measure. Unwittingly, I was relying on data results that were not properly updated. Another FReeper noticed the discrepancy and brought it to my attention. As it turned out, the basis for my point was no longer valid. But that said, I very much appreciated the cross checking.
>> historically similar slopes...
A few FReepers noticed that COVID-19 cured the flu
>> I wonder what other factors might play in to ...
No doubt. Also, many refuse to return to work at the office simply on the principle of necessity.
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