Posted on 06/22/2022 10:31:03 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I voted for Trump twice, and I’m a lawyer and I played a small role in his challenge to the results. My question for this board is: why shouldn’t we pick a winner? Trump lost. He lost the election and he lost, pathetically, in the post-election challenges. He lost those legal challenges before Trump-appointed judges as well Bush appointees, Obama appointees, and Clinton appointees.
He’s persuaded 40-something percent of the country but not matter what he does, he cannot – can not – persuade more people. He has not done so and will not do so. It may suck, but it’s a fact.
We have to be grownups and face that fact.
To quote Trump himself, speaking about McCain – “he lost. So I never liked him much after that, because I don't like losers."
Don’t we need a winner -- someone who can actually get elected? The principles we espouse – belief in private property, in the right to bear arms, belief in the biology of the human race (XX= female, XY = male); respect for religion; belief in American exceptionalism – these are principles that most Americans believe in. If Trump espouses those principles and can’t get to, never mind above, 50%, don’t we need to pick someone who can?
You’ll say the election was stolen and that we can’t prevent that from happening again unless the crime is unmasked and punished.
Assuming your premise, just ask yourself this: is Trump able to get the crime punished? Really? The answer, you know it, is “no.”
You’ll say it’s because the other side is corrupt and they cheat. I agree with you. We need someone who can DEFEAT them at that game. Trump has proven that he cannot do so. He is what he called McCain: a loser. He lost. He has no way to unlose, because 50% of the country hates his guts and would sooner vote for Mickey Mouse. You may think that’s ridiculous, but you do not have the legal power to make them vote for your guy instead. It just isn’t going to happen.
We’re the grownups. We have to face facts and deal with facts. Just as half the country supported slavery in 1865, so half the country supports slavery now. We have to have a leader who can LEAD those people to a better place. Ronald Reagan could do that.
We should find a leader who can actually LEAD people to that place. That means not only people like us, who already support these principles, but people who can be PERSUADED to support them.
Trump can not do that. He can’t. He doesn’t have the ability to do it.
The New Yorker, which I know all Freepers read religiously and believe every word it says, has an article up savaging DeSantis. As the National Review points out, the article can’t avoid saying he’s very smart, works very hard, is committed to conservative principles. And he wins elections. And he would win in a walk against Brandon. Shouldn’t we be smart and pick, or at least start looking for, a winner?
“So what are you actually going to do about it?”
I heard somewhere there is a plan in place. It was suggested I should sit back and watch the show.
That wasn't an umpire slick, those were imposters and crooks.
Learn it.
It is not about Trump, the next Presidential election is referendum on us.
And what are you going to do when DeSantis Won/Democrats Cheated? As you know, the MSM has already determined that DeSantis is literally Hitler, justifying the massing cheating that I assure you, will take place.
Do you really think the deep state/DNC complex is going to say "Oh, never mind, it's DeSantis who is literally Hitler, no reason to cheat this time."?
DeSantis is yet another lawyer turned career politician, who never held a private sector career or job.
After decades of this insanity, ya wanna go back to it?
While I will, of course, support and vote for Trump if he’s the nominee, my gut tells me that DeSantis has a better chance of winning in 2024.
Trump did a lot for this country. But he’s a lightning rod for the left. And not for praise or admiration. And the simple-minded will believe anything the left tells them. Especially about the bogus Jan. 6th “insurrection”.
DeSantis is a sitting governor, a proven conservative and he’s probably the best governor in the nation. I think he would be the better nominee.
perhaps if you worked a little harder for Trump, he would have convinced the judges to LOOK at the fraud.
i back trump and what he is trying to do.
Perhaps your in the wrong board
Find a Romney friendly site
If it was an honest loss, I could see some agreement with your point of view.
Since the “loss” was in fact fraud, I cannot agree with you.
However, as much as I like President Trump, he needs to recognize that he is no longer the best person to continue the fight. We have another contender who is younger and does not carry significant baggage. President Trump should put aside his personal desires and support the other contender, for the good of the country.
DeSantis is yet another lawyer turned career politician, who never held a private sector career or job.
After decades of this insanity, ya wanna go back to it?
The 2020 election will go down as a big time cheat by the DemonRat party. We will not forget this big time cheat election. We have a long memory.
John Adams - “I did do something. I’m a lawyer and I went to court for him.”
So share some of your info with us:
What kind of lawyer are you?
What court did you go to?
Did you present...or were you a spectator?
Whom did you represent?
What was the basis of your argument?
dude......you are seriously delusional. you’re the one that posted as if the election wasn’t stolen. I didn’t post that. you did. How can you possibly miss it? you claim you even provided legal advice/help....gee, why did you do that if it was a legitimate election? what I WON’T do is what you’re doing; pretend Trump lost when it was stolen from him.
At the end of the day. Trump is just too old. It’s as simple as that. His time has passed.
I like tacos. You invited Eric?
What was he supposed to do to stop the fraud?
Have the federal government intervene in the STATE election process? A process relegated to each state.
Set the stage for EVERYONE to say he’s a dictator? He didn’t play into their trap.
Georgia…..illegal Consent Decree, that may or may not have beensigned by the SecState, used in two elections and the state legislature did nothing. A busted water pipe that wasn’t busted. Ruby Freeman and her daughter. Ballots adjudicated mop by an unknown group of Democrats in a room.
Penn….legislature agreed to some changes - SecState abuses the law and makes unilateral decisions changing the voting process - legislature Sue’s BEFORE the election - state Supreme Court dismisses suit because there was no injury - dismisses second suit after the election because results were the results.
Nevada….sisolak makes sure that mail in ballots are mailed to every address in that state. What could go wrong
Wisconsin….widespread fraud and ballot harvesting being uncovered.
Arizona…..Republicans obstructing an investigation into the election at every turn up to and including destroying evidence and ignoring subpoenas.
Texas AG showed that there was 1 in 1quadrullion(how ever many zeroes that is) that CornPop should have won the election
JimRob knows who I am. That’s enough for me.
If he thinks I’m lying I can show him the transcript. If he wants, before or after doing that, I invite him to take this thread down.
Desantis is also a military veteran serving on the US Navy SEAL One team in Fallujah. He was awarded the Iraq Campaign Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal and the Bronze Star Medal.
As a veteran myself, that means a lot to me.
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