Posted on 03/07/2022 10:12:46 AM PST by impimp
Found variants of this on two sources on the internet and it is also what seems reasonable:
“Russia claims it will stop the war immediately if Ukraine agrees to:
- cease military action - change constitution to enshrine neutrality - recognize Crimea as Russian territory - recognize the Russian-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states”
So what is Ukraine’s problem? Accept the reasonable terms and move on. Reject them and face war.
As long as America is sanctioning and demonizing Russia then we are weakening the dollar’s position as the global reserve currency. I want us to be friends with Russia and I want them to be our trading partner. Demonization of Russia does not serve America’s interest.
“... I want us to be friends with Russia...”
What are you.. a 12 year old girl who DESPERATELY needs to be liked by the popular kids?!
“The Ukes honored it, Russians didn’t.”
Putin treats treaty commitments with the regard you’d expect from a 15-year KGB man.
terrible analogy…Putin doesn’t appear to be asking for areas hostile to him. This is unlike Hitler. Stop with bad analogies!
So, say some gangbangers break into your house (you did nothing to provoke them). They take over half your house, abuse your family, and wreck the rest of your house. You, rightfully and understandably, fight back.
After a while, the gangbangers say, “If you stop fighting back, and put your house in a trust with the provision that you can’t sell it without our permission; and you relinquish that part of your house we have taken over, and accept and recognize that it is now ours, we’ll stop our attack to take your whole house and kill you and your family.”
You have a choice: You can say, “Over my dead body!” or, “Okay, you can have it.”
Most people here have never seen this and don’t care. They are too hopped up on war hysteria, we must destroy the devil, Putin, regardless of the cost. Notice how hard it was for you to find Russia’s peace requirements for a full withdrawal? The Russian demands, unreasonable and legit are totally squelched. The Russian peace/cease fire proposals compromise the West’s laughable but overwhelmingly successful disinformation narrative so they must be shouted down before being considered. Read on, by even posting the Russian position you have identified yourself as Putin/KGB stooge.
“Why not a status quo ante bellum? That would be equally “reasonable.”
Yup.
“My friends inside Russia tell me this is all about OIL”
What does that mean?
“Now is not the time to accuse fellow FR members of working for Russia.”
Unless they do.
Frog spirits of Revelation loosed. Revelation 16:13-16
Lamps full at the Varsity household of faith.
Revelation 16:15.
“And He gathered them together to the place which is called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
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Revelation 16:16.
“IF you have to immediately call someone an “agent for Russia” - you’ve already lost the argument.”
What argument?
I’ve heard Putin ask for “denazification” and demilitarization on TV.
Demilitarization is more than mere neutrality.
...I am no expert in these matters, but..didn’t Russia take over Crimea some years back, and aren’t those two areas within the Donbass very heavily populated with Russian-speaking and Russian-oriented populations...? again, I am not taking the side of Russia, but, yes, reverting to the status quo ante bellum seems to be one way to end this horror....
At least you are honest enough to admit that your major, or only, concern is the reserve currency. I do think that it is one of the Biden administration’s plans to force the Yuan as a secondary reserve currency, and this “war” seems to be serving that end.
My experience has been that most people think with their wallets and their family - in that order. It makes a lot of sense out of the chaos that sometimes appears on FR.
“Okay, you can have it.”
The IRS got lots of money from me.
“Might makes right” is a revered concept in Washington, DC.
So let's say I (your next door neighbor) kick in your door and beat your ass, murder one of your kids and demolish your kitchen. I'll stop if you give me half your property and give up your ability to defend yourself. No? What's your problem? Accept my reasonable terms and move on!
Sure let’s use your gangbanger analogy. If I have been cutting and popping off gangbangers since 2014, then I wouldn’t be surprised when the gangbangers break into my house in 2022.
Well, status quo ante bellum would leave Crimea in Russian hands and the “breakway” areas under rebel control, and their offical status would remain dispute.
Then poots needs to die. On the other hand, installing a buttSchwab puppet in his place is no good. Although that would bring an immediate halt to the two minutes of "die russia die" nonsense. It's just pooter that needs to go.
correct
Well, so long as everyone who thinks we should be fighting to protect Ukraine is willing to go there first.
Unfortunately team keyboard commando lie to accuse those who don’t want us in a war with Russia of being on his side yet I don’t see them volunteering—and won’t.
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