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Running Windows 10? Microsoft is preparing to fire up the update engines (Windows 10 Updates)
The Register ^ | Jan 24, 2022 | Richard Speed

Posted on 01/25/2022 9:34:06 AM PST by dayglored

It's coming. Microsoft is preparing to start shoveling the latest version of Windows 10 down the throats of refuseniks still clinging to older incarnations.

The Windows Update team gave the heads-up through its Twitter orifice last week. Windows 10 2004 was already on its last gasp, have had support terminated in December. 20H2, on the other hand, should be good to go until May this year.

We started the first phase in the Windows 10, version 21H2 rollout for machine learning (ML) training. We are targeting devices on Windows 10, version 20H2 that are approaching end of servicing to update automatically to version 21H2. https://t.co/l7RbiFyq3O — Windows Update (@WindowsUpdate) January 20, 2022

However, while it is hard for any lingering Windows 10 2004 user to avoid 21H2 via Windows Update, 20H2 (which debuted in the latter part of 2020) is also in the crosshairs. Microsoft has warned it was "targeting devices on Windows 10, version 20H2 that are approaching end of servicing to update automatically to Windows 10, version 21H2" via the first phase in its rollout for machine learning (ML) training.

It intends to carry on that training "and deliver a smooth update experience." Of course, the update is, at first glance, pretty minor (as Microsoft focuses its energies on Making All The Things Rounded in Windows 11.) However, a bit ominously, the company also said "the update will install like a monthly update."

These are words to strike fear into the hearts of many a user left singed following the most recent monthly Patch Tuesday emission.

The latest set of statistics from advertising platform AdDuplex put 31.8 per cent of PC running Windows 10 20H2 and 11 per cent on Windows 10 2004. Those figures will have dropped in the weeks since, particularly with 2004's end of support and the undoubted bleating from the operating system about getting an update.

With many customers still unable to meet Microsoft's infamous hardware requirements for Windows 11, Microsoft seems set on nudging holdouts toward the light of 21H2 – whether customers like it or not. ®


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: clinging; refuseniks; windows; windows10; windowspinglist; windowsupdates
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To: SgtHooper

Our church computer updated to 11 and it’s quirky with things I use, for example right click copy and paste. With 11 you right click and you get no option to Copy or Paste, you have to click on More Options to get to the menu when you right click on a 10 machine.


41 posted on 01/25/2022 10:39:50 AM PST by sarge83
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To: dayglored

42 posted on 01/25/2022 10:40:11 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Yo-Yo
Why does an operating system need so much computing power?

Because it sucks.

43 posted on 01/25/2022 10:41:44 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Captain Peter Blood
> IMHO the best Windows OS they ever had was XP hands down, so easy to use and so few problems.

Having used both WinXP Pro and Win7 Pro extensively over the years, I'd give the nod to Win7, but it's a matter of personal preference. I found Win7 more stable, at least for the things I was doing.

> If I had a computer that ran Windows I might dig that back up and use it.

Okay, but if you ever do, don't let WinXP talk to the internet. Seriously.

44 posted on 01/25/2022 10:44:00 AM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: sarge83
> With 11 you right click and you get no option to Copy or Paste, you have to click on More Options to get to the menu when you right click on a 10 machine.

WTH??? That's beyond stupid and bad, that's dysfunctional.

45 posted on 01/25/2022 10:46:00 AM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Yo-Yo
Why does an operating system need so much computing power?

To force an upgrade to Win 11 and new hardware? My primary home machine is a late 2012 Mac mini. It has issues, but once it is no longer supported I am likely to buy a new Mac mini as a primary machine.

46 posted on 01/25/2022 10:48:41 AM PST by EVO X ( )
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To: SgtHooper

My machine is new but Win 11 says it’s too old. Fine with me. I stayed with 7 as long as I could.


47 posted on 01/25/2022 11:26:58 AM PST by Luke21
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To: dayglored

My thoughts exactly!


48 posted on 01/25/2022 12:38:08 PM PST by sarge83
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To: dayglored

And the asses just keep chasing that carrot...


49 posted on 01/25/2022 1:33:06 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

#27 You can get the free Oracle VM VirtualBox software.
https://www.virtualbox.org
Install any version of Windows or Linux in a virtual window without messing with what you are running now.

How To Install Windows XP In Virtual Box
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GYeqWEHzZI


50 posted on 01/25/2022 2:01:19 PM PST by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: sarge83

#41 With 11 you right click and you get no option to Copy or Paste, you have to click on More Options to get to the menu when you right click on a 10 machine.

It is now a hop, skip and jump when older versions of Windows were laid out better.


51 posted on 01/25/2022 2:03:14 PM PST by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: dayglored

#45 Here is that menu....
https://www.digitalcitizen.life/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/right_click_menu.png


52 posted on 01/25/2022 2:14:47 PM PST by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: dayglored
This is a great time to switch to Windows 10 Ameliorated.

How does Windows 10 AME differentiate from Windows 10 by Microsoft?

It’s the same operating system, but here’s what changes:

Windows AME turns off all the spying features of Windows 10
Disables Cortana
Removes Edge browser and installs Firefox instead
Removes the MS Office because it has a keylogger inside
Denies 94% of the attacks related to the Administrator vulnerability
Removes the “Start menu” and the Taskbar
Gets rid of the advertising software that comes preinstalled with Windows 10
It removes unneeded bloat from the GUI

I'll leave it to anyone interested to follow the link (above) if you're also interested in the dis-advantages.

It also completely disables Windows updates, so you can install it and never worry about M$ forcing you to take Win11. And it removes User Access Control (UAC), which was the most ham-fisted and horribly amateurish feature of every Windows since Vista.

I do need to mention that M$ got a court order forcing the developers of Win10AME to cease and desist because removing all the snitchware from Win10 also (inadvertently) disabled the authentication check. Which means you can install Win10AMEand use it forever without a product key. Which obviously caused Mister Bill's hair to spontaneously ignite.

Howsoever, there's nothing in the least bit hinkey about using the Win10AME installation media PROVIDED YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE LICENSE for the same version of Windows. Because Microsoft does not and has never sold software, they only license its use. So the installation media -- so long as it matches your legally-owned user's license -- is of no matter.

M$ might have forced them to stop producing it but Win10AME is still widely available on the interweb, including at the WayBack Machine, which is further testament to the fact that the media itself is kosher.

53 posted on 01/25/2022 2:28:05 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: dayglored
> With 11 you right click and you get no option to Copy or Paste, you have to click on More Options to get to the menu when you right click on a 10 machine.

" WTH??? That's beyond stupid and bad, that's dysfunctional."

I was in Linux the other day and its non-name file manager could not enable an editable location bar or to paste a file I copied. Overall less GUI options.

54 posted on 01/25/2022 2:53:19 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: dayglored
"it is hard for any lingering Windows 10 2004 user to avoid 21H2 via Windows Update,"

No hard to at least delay it if you can go to Settings (Windows key and i key) and Update and Security and hit Advanced options and choose up to 35 days delay. But I think that is only in 10 Pro. I am in 21H1 (Run winver to see yours).

UpdateNo

Otherwise you can Install Gpedit Msc in Windows 10 Home and Configure Windows Updates Using Group Policy Editor ...

55 posted on 01/25/2022 3:06:36 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
> I was in Linux the other day and its non-name file manager could not enable an editable location bar or to paste a file I copied. Overall less GUI options.

The so-called File Manager in Ubuntu is only slightly better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. I can't fathom why Linux developers can't offer a better FM. Then again, their answer is, "Well then improve it or write your own" which would have been enticing 20 years ago but no longer is how I wish to spend my days (I'm 70). But since I spend 95% of my Linux time in Bash/SSH sessions, I don't have much occasion to interact with FM functions except for the occasional "Save As" dialog from a download.

I continue to maintain that my ideal working environment would be Linux OS, with the clean stability of MacOS's operating controls, and the Windows 7 GUI/desktop apps (e.g. FM). Oh well, not in this lifetime, on this planet...

56 posted on 01/25/2022 3:31:01 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
"The so-called File Manager in Ubuntu is only slightly better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. I can't fathom why Linux developers can't offer a better FM. Then again, their answer is, "Well then improve it or write your own" which would have been enticing 20 years ago but no longer is how I wish to spend my days (I'm 70). But since I spend 95% of my Linux time in Bash/SSH sessions, I don't have much occasion to interact with FM functions except for the occasional "Save As" dialog from a download. "

I was in Kubuntu, so it is likely the same, and I have used other file mangers that are better than the default, but this one did not even have any I.D. I went thru preferences, made sure things like hidden files is checked but could not get to do what I wanted (which was in order to customize Firefox) but I found a work-around.

I do not need even the items the Windows File Explore put there, but it is easy to work with, and Open Shell offers more customization if i wanted it. W.10FM

"I continue to maintain that my ideal working environment would be Linux OS, with the clean stability of MacOS's operating controls, and the Windows 7 GUI/desktop apps (e.g. FM). Oh well, not in this lifetime, on this planet.."

Yes, a type of hybrid would be best but there is a lot of mutual scorn.

57 posted on 01/25/2022 7:58:39 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
> ...there is a lot of mutual scorn.

That is putting it politely. :-)

I'll just continue running Win10/Win11 in VMs for those applications that absolutely require Windows, or which work substantially better on Windows such as Outlook.

For a while, there was talk of Microsoft making a hybrid that put the classic Windows UI over Linux instead of NT. But with the release of Win11 I have lost hope -- MS is going in the other direction: further and further away from anything I can use as a primary workstation.

58 posted on 01/26/2022 7:07:22 AM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored; dennisw
That does look like a nice machine, especially for my kids. I'm currently using an i7-3770 and the i3-10100 appears to be a lot faster as far as benchmarks go.

Comparison: i7-3770 vs. i3-10100

You may be able to plug in what your current processor is and see how it stacks up.

If you used an older GeForce 1050Ti card, which doesn't require supplemental power, upgraded the RAM and the Hard Disk to a SSD it would be a very nice gaming system for games that came out over the last several years.

59 posted on 02/09/2022 7:19:16 AM PST by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: dayglored

You know how this goes with i3 vs i5 for years. Today’s i3 is equivalent to the i5 of 2-2.5 years ago. The only drawback on i3 CPUS be they mobile or desktop, is that it is harder to unload an i3 laptop or desktop on eBay. The i5 gets lots more love and prestige. The most recent mobile i5 has Iris Xe graphics, so does the i7. I saw the tests on youtube and the XE graphics on each get the same score. On some tests the Iris XE on the i5 was better by a few percentage points.
__________

Intel Core i3-10100 gets Passmark Score of 8853, which is easily enough to rip through Windows 11 for most tasks I do, which is internet w 200-300 tabs open and for Office type work. Downloading movies, streaming movies. I put a 500gb NVMe drive and another 8gb ram into that HP desktop I bought, with the i3-10100

Intel Core i3-10100 @ 3.60GHz
Description: Intel UHD Graphics 630
Clockspeed: 3.6 GHZ
Turbo Speed: 4.3 GHZ
Cores: 4 Threads: 8
Typical TDP: 65 W

Intel i3-10100 CPU @ 3.60GHz
CPU First Seen on Charts: Q2 2020
Average CPU Mark / Passmark score >>>> 8853


60 posted on 02/09/2022 11:25:54 AM PST by dennisw
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