Posted on 01/01/2022 9:38:38 PM PST by Paul R.
What do FReepers think of 9mm carbines as a mid-power varmint rifle? My requirements are relatively cheap ammo, typical range is < 100 yards (usually 50 yards or less, really), only moderate penetration, with stopping power similar to a .357 handgun / somewhere between a .22lr hollow point and a 12 ga. deer slug. More...
In Texas he would be well within the law shooting the dog. The key being it had been caught in the act killing his chickens. There has to be threat or damage involved, you can’t just shoot one because it’s on your property.
My Coyote rifles are all 243’s, this ranch is large and fairly open so shots out to and over 300 yards are not uncommon. I shoot 58 grain Hornady VMAX through all of them. If you’ve watched the show CARNIVORE on the Pursuit Channel you’ve seen me and the rifles. We’re doing a couple of more shows out here this year and one of them will be with pistols. Going to see if I can take a yote on camera with Rugers new Single 7 in 327 Magnum. Might do another show hunting Javalina’s in South Texas with the same pistol later before deer season starts. I love hunting with Pistols.
“I already have a .357 revolver for home defense”
Just be sure you have something else to shoot at night. The muzzle flash from a .357 will blind you for a minute or more and leave you unable to defend yourself or your family.....
Even though you won't have material assets to show for it, it might turn out to be money well spent.
Sometimes making a very large hole in something leaves a better impression for others that come see.
One I have that hits your list is a Savage A22 Magnum. Accurate to past 100 yards. No recoil for the girls. More power than a 22lr but cheap like a 22lr.
10 round rotary mag semi auto. Easy to follow up your first shot. Mags are cheap. Doesn’t look like Tacticalweapon but is semi auto. Not heavy.
It is not costly. Mine was under 500 new.
Also consider a 357 carbine but it is a much more powerful long gun almost outside “varmit” category.
“In Texas he would be well within the law shooting the dog. The key being it had been caught in the act killing his chickens.”
I don’t doubt that the shooting as described was legal and justified. The issue is that whether it was or not, some people can get squirrely when you shoot their dogs. Just say’ in.
I don’t think you will find the Ruger PCC 9 to be a tack driver. When gun folks talk about a “varmint” rifle, they are usually talking about something more accurate than the 2 Ruger PCC 9s that I’ve seen and shot. I’m sure that group sizes would shrink if we were not in an ammo shortage and could find and try enough different loads, but that is not today or the foreseeable future.
With the PCCs and ammo that I have shot, I would not take a 100-yard shot on a coyote, simply because I could not guarantee shot placement for a humane take-down. I would limit my shots to 50 yards or maybe less. Your mileage may vary.
The PCC9 with self-defense ammo would make a great home defense weapon against “larger critters.” I would definitely use one for that purpose, when shots should be 20 yards or less. But for smaller targets at a longer distance, I’d want something else, maybe even just a .22 Magnum.
From what I understand, 16" is the optimal barrel length for most factory-loaded 9mm cartridges. After that, there is no velocity improvement. I know that with a 16" barrel, mine visibly pounds steel plates harder than any 9mm handgun. As I also mentioned, I can hit 8" plates at 200 yards with the red dot sight I have on it.
“”some people can get squirrely when you shoot their dogs””
The person allowing their dog/dogs to run lose is the one responsible for getting their dog shot. Obviously they don’t care about the safety of their own animals. I’ve had to deal with just such a situation back when I was with the Sheriff’s department. The owner got mad an made all kind of threats. When I explained to him that I could take him to jail for his threats he settled down. When I explained the owner of the show sheep his dogs just killed will most likely take him to court he got real quiet. That incident cost him a little over 7,000 dollars and he was court ordered to build pens for his dog’s or have them removed from the property. He got rid of his remaining dogs.
He hunted hogs with dogs and had created quite a problem out in the county.
I buy 9mm brass case FMJ in bulk for 30 to 35 cents a round. You're likely not going to find that price for 223, 357, or 38 special.
Or, 44 magnum, 45 long colt.
If this happened where I live, that neighbor better be concerned about how much damage the judge is going to award me for the cost of my chickens.
I’ve never shot a Taurus Judge, but in the past I’ve researched it and read that it does shoot both BUT it doesn’t do a good job with either caliber.
In any case, the best gun for the job is the one you have, not the one you don’t!
“If this happened where I live, that neighbor better be concerned about how much damage the judge is going to award me for the cost of my chickens.”
Lets hope the owner of the dead dog reacts reasonably, because there will be a reaction.
I’ve shot it and it does fine. What it does NOT do well is shoot shotgun rounds because it has a rifled barrel [so that it is not classified as a sawed off straightbarrel shotgun].
When you have a short barrel and it’s rifled, it introduces rotational velocity to the shot rounds and they spin outwards faster than ordinary straight-barrel rounds. It’s good for short distances but really bad at anything longer than a few yards.
That is offset by the handiness of having such a versatile street cannon. Basically you can load up snake/shotgun rounds + slugs + PDX rounds all in the same revolver.
I have two questions, the first is how does anyone who frets over the cost of ammo and new firearms realistically expect to become proficient using said firearm and second I wonder what would happen to me from a legal standpoint if I shot one of my neighbors dogs?
7 1/2 inch barrel.
***That’s a nice compromise between a carbine and a pistol.
Now, let me brace my left arm / elbow on something -
***If you can brace your arm on sumthin while shooting a rifle then you can do it while shooting a handgun as well.
That’s how I introduce newbies to handgun shooting. Almost every gunfight ends up with one or both participants hiding behind sumthin so ya might as well train that way. Instead of planting your feet and firing, get your muscle memory going towards some kind of cover, any cover, and use it as a stabilizer to hold the shot steady. See for yourself when you do that with the laser pointed at the door knob.
The next time you go to the range to shoot, time yourself with how long it takes to shoot all your rounds [from a magazine or revolver] and then measure the accuracy. Then time yourself from a point of stabilization and then measure the accuracy, measure the difference.
Nothing happens to you from a legal standpoint if your neighbor doesn’t figure out you’re the one who killed his dog. When neighbors let their dogs wander, often their dogs simply never come home or are found by the side of the road as highway frisbees.
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