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9mm carbine?
PaulR | 1/1/2022 | Me

Posted on 01/01/2022 9:38:38 PM PST by Paul R.

What do FReepers think of 9mm carbines as a mid-power varmint rifle? My requirements are relatively cheap ammo, typical range is < 100 yards (usually 50 yards or less, really), only moderate penetration, with stopping power similar to a .357 handgun / somewhere between a .22lr hollow point and a 12 ga. deer slug. More...


TOPICS: Agriculture; Miscellaneous; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: 9mm; banglist; carbine; firearms
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Background: I had to take down a neighbor's dog (Boxer - Lab mix, I think) that was left unattended over the holiday, got loose this morning, and dug it's way into one of our chicken coops, killing 6(!)* of our best layers. This dog has been notably aggressive when it got loose before, anyway, although I've been able to run it off by picking up a bat or hefty branch, yelling (RRARRR!!!) and charging IT - dogs seem to know sometimes when you have the advantage of size, determination, and aggression. (A "dominance" thing?) And, it never before got to our chickens or my daughter's two plump housecats, who like to go outside.

This morning tho', was the last straw, and when the dog came back on our property and growled and came at me, I was positioned to take a clear shot right at its chest. No sticks this time: doggie got a 22 lr hollow point dead center chest from my Ruger rifle, 10 yards away. The dog was able to run back across the road but was dead B4 I could position for a clear follow up. Might have been a bit of a lucky shot to kill so quickly, as the Ruger is more accurate than I am. Anyway, the situation had me wanting something a bit more powerful, without being a dang cannon. (If I need the latter, out comes the 12 ga.)

So... What do FReepers think of 9mm carbines as a mid-power varmint rifles? My requirements are relatively cheap, hopefully available(!) ammo, typical range under 100 yards (usually 50 or less, really), only moderate penetration to minimize exiting of the target, with stopping power similar to a 38 to .357 handgun / somewhere between a .22lr hollow point and a 12 ga. deer slug.

I definitely want something not as LOUD as a 12 ga., and with considerably less recoil, so my quite petite wife and / or daughter can comfortably use it, if need be.

The typical target is a medium to medium large dog (Pit Bull, Boxer, Lab, etc.), or possibly a coyote. Hollow point slugs are a given.

I DO have a .223 carbine, but a larger, lower velocity, relatively inexpensive slug makes more sense to me, here.

1 posted on 01/01/2022 9:38:38 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.

Have at it! I’m sure there will e many opinions... :-)


2 posted on 01/01/2022 9:39:30 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

How about a .22lr and shoot it a couple times?


3 posted on 01/01/2022 9:40:44 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Paul R.

“will be”

Hahaha.

Of note: No, I DON”T like shooting dogs. This is basically “last recourse” stuff.


4 posted on 01/01/2022 9:41:54 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

We use pistol calibers in pistols because rifle calibers don’t fit in pistols. If the platform works for rifle calibers, use a rifle caliber.


5 posted on 01/01/2022 9:44:07 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Statistics don't matter when they happen to you.)
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To: Paul R.

Just off the top of my head…

Henry .410. There’s a variety of shells available for specialty purposes, but for close range, not too loud & effective it is a good option.

Want a short barrel option? No worries.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/shotguns/henry-lever-action-axe-bluedwalnut-410-gauge-2-12in-lever-action-shotgun-15in/p/1638591?msclkid=5ccc628461b11805fb3f03555dfba945&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Bing%20-%20DSA%20-%20Category%20Pages&utm_term=shooting%20&utm_content=Range%20Gear

I have a non-lethal rubber bullet load in the FIRST shell. After that…..


6 posted on 01/01/2022 9:48:59 PM PST by jdsteel ("A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Sorry Ben, looks like we blew it.)
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To: Jewbacca

If I don’t make a perfect shot (and the above I thought was a dang good or dang lucky shot - take your pick), with a .22 lr the critter will likely run away wounded. This dog was FAST - I hit it dead square and it was 50+ yards away and around the side of the neighbor’s deck before I could get a NOT clear shot, much less the clear one I ran to in maybe 20 seconds.

Heck, last year I hit a 20 lb. raccoon with what on examination looked like a darn near perfect shot, and I found it in the woods to our East 200+ yards from where it was hit.


7 posted on 01/01/2022 9:51:31 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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What you want is a .357 lever action. Nod your head “yes”. Trust Me.


8 posted on 01/01/2022 9:55:10 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Paul R.

High point makes a cheap 9mm or .45 carbine for less than $300. Yes its a high point but its suprisingly accurate.


9 posted on 01/01/2022 9:55:41 PM PST by Husker24 (Pp)
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To: ctdonath2

Well, 9mm carbines are definitely available, a few are not out of my budget, and ammo for target practice is easy to get and not too pricey... (Our Rural King stores were running a special on 9mm target ammo recently, which, plus links like the below, were some of the things that got me thinking 9mm.)

https://gundigest.com/rifles/affordable-9mm-carbine-options


10 posted on 01/01/2022 9:58:04 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

Ruger PC9 is a great carbine—and can be broken down. A bit heavy but accurate, 9mm, and can use Glock magazines.


11 posted on 01/01/2022 9:59:16 PM PST by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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To: Husker24

Indeed, I saw a fairly decent review on it, IIRC.


12 posted on 01/01/2022 9:59:22 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Freedom4US

Henry side gate. Pricy. It’s on my list.


13 posted on 01/01/2022 9:59:28 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Paul R.

45 ACP Camp Carbine. Nice and quiet. Use soft lead bullets.


14 posted on 01/01/2022 10:02:17 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Paul R.

There are a number of pistol caliber carbines out there. Ruger and Beretta make nice ones, and if price is a factor Hi-point makes one that I’ve never had a problem with. I might consider .45 as a caliber. Low velocity, big bullet. .45 also is not to bad out of a carbine, so those for whom it is too big in a handgun won’t be put off by a carbine.


15 posted on 01/01/2022 10:04:02 PM PST by Lee Enfield (Lighten up Francis)
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To: Paul R.

I love mine. I’ve used it on whitetail deer with no issues. FMJ bullet no less. It has a 16” barrel, and those 9mm slugs come out of it cooking. I can ring an 8” plate with it a 200 yards.


16 posted on 01/01/2022 10:04:34 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: Born to Conserve
45 ACP Camp Carbine. Nice and quiet. Use soft lead bullets.

Nice, I guess, if you could find one. Of course, you'll have to hand load those soft lead bullets.

Better, more practical options.

17 posted on 01/01/2022 10:07:19 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Paul R.
Ruger PC9 with the Glock mag well pairs nicely with a G45 or G19. If you prefer .357mag, a 4" 686+ revolver paired with a lever action .357mag works well. I have a Rossi M92 for that config. Bigger? Marlin 1895G in 45-70 paired with a BFR revolver in 45-70. Smaller? Ruger 10/22 rifle and Ruger MKIV pistol.
The .357mag sounds like the best match to your application.
18 posted on 01/01/2022 10:11:45 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Reno89519

That is a VERY nice piece and it indeed might be what I get IF some inheritance $$ come through...

(My little .22 lr is a Ruger and I really like it. Accurate as all get out, somehow even if I’ve not shot it for a while, like this morning..)

For now, tho’, well, I need to keep it cheaper and a mid-size carbine for us won’t get hunting type heavy use: It might be out of the house perhaps twice a year, except maybe to do a little target practice once in a while (which will be in nice weather!!)

It’s not for home self-defense against humans, either, that’s what I now have a medium short 12 ga. semi-auto for. ;-)


19 posted on 01/01/2022 10:15:14 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

Always double tap; always.


20 posted on 01/01/2022 10:15:23 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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