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Posted on 01/01/2022 9:38:38 PM PST by Paul R.
What do FReepers think of 9mm carbines as a mid-power varmint rifle? My requirements are relatively cheap ammo, typical range is < 100 yards (usually 50 yards or less, really), only moderate penetration, with stopping power similar to a .357 handgun / somewhere between a .22lr hollow point and a 12 ga. deer slug. More...
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The HighPoint referenced is a good option. It is butt ugly but low cost and functions well.
The Kel-Tech and Ruger are also fine. Also, Beretta makes one as well but I suspect it is pricey.
Well, no, unless low power hollow point .223 rounds are easily and cheaply available. I just don't see them, at least not locally.
Again, the problem with my .223 is that it's loud, has a bit much recoil for my wife or daughter, and slugs can over-penetrate and / or ricochet way too far for my situation. Address those things still in a .223 round = problem solved.
To be honest, my .223's present intent is for a much different situation: Longer range self-defense or hunting in the event of societal breakdown. Say, if the New Madrid fault repeats its 1811-1812 unpleasantness. (It'd be better to go "bigger", but immediate problems come 1st.)
Yes, it appears problems with maybe 1 out of 10 High Points show up pretty quickly - then one has to send the gun in, hopefully for not too long.
Functionality is all that really matters here.
Came here to say the same thing - it is so ugly! Picked one up in college over ten years ago now and it was fun (still is fun) to take out to the range. They do make some mods to make it a little less ugly though.
Yes, the ammo section of any of the 4 Wal-Marts I might go to in the area are basically wasted space.
Depends on the size and temperament of the cur. Field if fire and all that.
12 gauge works
20 gauge might offer better control.
At least #4 shot.
And unless the user is halfway experienced with a pistol they will probably miss. But you can dump 19 rounds in the general direction towards the beast while it’s moving quickly towards you to rip your leg off... a shotgun will stop the attack in its tracks.
Personally, I prefer to side step the attack and sever the spine with a well placed machete blow as it passes by...
Why not a used 30-30 from a gun show or local dealer? They can be in the 4-5-6 hundred dollar range and are good for mid range shooting.
My grand daughter was shooting my old 30-30 as a young teen, and both of my then teen aged grandsons shot their first deer with that old 30-30 {so there is not too much recoil}.
As I've gotten older, I've been hunting more with the 30-30 than my larger, heavier and more recoil generating rifles.
Not sure I follow. Either you can shoot a rifle or you can’t. Use the cheapest .223 you can find if you need practice. It should not take many rounds to get a hunting round dialed in. Write down what scope adjustments you need to make for different rounds. I doubt very much that you would ever recoup the cost of the rifle based on ammo usage unless you are in prairie dog country or you live next door to a large kennel.
I never practice with any of my rifles. I shoot a couple of rounds at paper to make sure they are still dialed in once a year or if I miss what I think I should have hit. Handguns are different story.
I should have said "an issue", not "the issue".
However, I strongly disagree on the practice issue. Your take is not at all what works for me.
Now, maybe if the situation is that I have several seconds to set up the shot, get myself steady, then pull the trigger? But even then, that's a process I do better with occasional practice. However, rarely is that the situation. Often the target is moving at least some, I may be too... Spot. Clear shot? Yes. Set/sight. Track sight if needed. Bang!
From "yes" to "bang!" might be 3 seconds. Often less. This takes familiarity with using the weapon, muscle memory and some practice -- at least for me. I rigged up a little swinging setup from a tall branch so I can do quick 180's to a swinging target at a 2nd person's "go". (Not totally unlike trap or skeet shooting, I suppose.) Some practice I do with a pellet gun of similar weight and feel to my .22 lr, but the .22 does me more good. IF I get a 9 mm or .357 carbine then I would practice mostly with it. (Ironically, most of my shots with the .22 would then be more static shots!)
I also believe practice helps me focus to take a shot in a stressful situation (like a potentially dangerous dog moving at me).
This doesn't make me a Green Beret (HA!), but at the very least it makes me a bit more proficient than I'd otherwise be. And / or maybe a bit more confident.
YMMV.
I’ve got the same model but I would not recommend it in this case. A hundred yards is a long shot for that rifle and caliber. I’m running a SIG Romeo 5 red dot on it so that kind of eliminates and long range shooting but with a decent scope it can probably handle it. There’s better choices.
I’ve got 22’s, 22 mags, 17HMR and a 17 WSM. The best of that crowd would be the 17 WSM, it will easily take a 100 yard shot and I’ve taken 200 lb hogs with it. For a pistol round it’s going to be hard to beat the 357, mines a Marlin 1894 and I’ve taken deer, yotes and hogs with it.
The author already has the best choice in his collection and that’s the 223. It’s been killing hog’s, yote’s, deer and just about everything in Nth America under 400 lbs fairly efficently.
Get a .30 Carbine M1.
From that test the 40 grain Vmax would be the only round I’d consider, because I do NOT want the slug to exit. But, I’m not a reloader...
Head shot only.
If that dog makes it home to its owner, be ready for a court date.
Ummmm - I have a Rossi carbine that takes .38 Specials and .357 rounds...
The short barrel keeps it neat and is longer than a hand gun barrel which creates higher velocity and energy than when the same rounds are fired from a hand gun.
A friend has a rifle that uses 9mm rounds and loves it as an “in-between” weapon.
Does your neighbor know you killed his dog and what do you expect his reaction to be? That would be my primary concern at this point in time.
“”Get a .30 Carbine M1.””
That’s the one caliber I’ve never owned in a rifle but I do have a couple of the old 3 screw Ruger Blackhawks chambered in it. My favorite pistols for varmint size game. The factory 110’s are OK for most applications but I shoot 90 grain Hornady XTP’s for varmints. I get just over 1800 fps from a 7 1/2 inch barrel. You’re still going to have the flash and noise the 30 Carbine is notorious for but it’s a better setup for a pistol. I’ve never shot that load through a rifle but I suspect the velocities would be surprising.
The only problem with Marlins is that they aren’t currently in production. Ruger needs to get up and running, then wait another year for them to work out the kinks.
As another poster mentioned, a .357 lever-action is a good choice.
I have a PC9. Great carbine and if you run out of ammo, just use the heavy rubber stock as a club.
Naw, just practical.
It's very quick handling, even by carbine standards, and just the medicine for coyotes at those ranges under those conditions with the 110 grain JSPs.
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