Hey, we can name call too.
Posted on 11/18/2021 2:41:35 AM PST by blueplum
...One of the drug's biggest promoters, Dr. Pierre Kory, a critical care doctor based in Wisconsin, claimed to take the drug weekly last December during a U.S. Senate hearing. Eight months later, he contracted Covid-19, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on Wednesday. Kory has not publicly stated if he is vaccinated against the disease.
Kory has testified twice to the U.S. Senate in support of ivermectin, stating that it is a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19....
...As of October 2021, there have been 1,810 reported cases of ivermectin poisoning across the country, compared to 499 within the first 10 months of 2019, reports the Journal Sentinel...
(Excerpt) Read more at menshealth.com ...
blueThumb writes:
Hospital Admissions
• 70% of adult COVID-19 inpatients aged under 50 are unvaccinated. 20% of COVID-19 inpatients aged 50 and over are unvaccinated.
• Unvaccinated individuals aged 50 and over are almost 5 times as likely to be admitted to hospital with COVID19 than fully vaccinated individuals.
• For adults under 50, whilst the numbers admitted to hospital are lower, an unvaccinated individual is almost 11 times as likely to need hospitalisation from COVID-19.
Deaths
• Unvaccinated individuals aged 50 and over are more than 4 times as likely to die than fully vaccinated individuals.
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BUT the goal posts have been moved on the definition of “vaccinated”.
For instance, the US CDC does not count as vaccinated (1) anyone less than two weeks past his last injection, nor (2) anyone not fully vaxxed according to the standard of the moment, be it three, four, or five pokes.
So, as the Pandemic of the Vaccinated grows exponentially, be prepared for the blame being shunted off to the unvaxxed with increasing stridency. The CDC’s definition of who’s vaccinated and who’s not is laying the groundwork for blame-shifting.
As of October 2021, there have been 1,810 reported cases of ivermectin poisoning across the country
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These “poisonings” were not from use of ivermectin. They were from improper use of ivermectin. Not one of these poisonings would have occurred if doctors had administered ivermectin properly. Ivermectin has been proven safe in millions of applications over decades.
Good point.
Nobody ever claimed Ivermectin was a vaccine, unlike certain Big Pharma products which should never have been allowed to claim that mantle.
Sorry, but it’s all true.
The lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data alone are inherently unreliable
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01535-y
Ivermectin for the Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials - Oxford
“Conclusions
Compared with the standard of care or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, LOS, or viral clearance in RCTs in patients with mostly mild COVID-19. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or SAEs and is not a viable option to treat patients with COVID-19.”
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab591/6310839
“you also lied about a 67% improvement being worse than doing nothing”
Lied ? I said 67% is less than monoclonals. COVID 101a - average recovery/quarantine for a mildly infected patient who does nothing is 14 days. A theoretical return to 100% by day 10. so yes, 67% is nonsense. If I have a mild case, at day 10 or 11, I might even be 90% and raring to go.
” all 25 of these studies being fraudulent. “
Many were flawed and/or never happened, sorry to say. see the first link above. If researchers can’t turn over data, it’s not legitimate.
“So you claim ivermectin is 33% worse than doing nothing,”
I didn’t claim anything of the sort. I said Kory, the king of invermectin, had to admit publically that ivermectin didn’t work. Although he couched it by including the ‘against Delta’ part.
“So what are you doing by lying to people about the relevant science? Getting people killed?”
the people getting people killed are those hawking snake oil. Monoclonals are not snake oil.
“There is no reason you can’t do both.
There is no contraindication.”
so....Where’s the studies that say you can use both and there is no contraindication? Or did YOU just make that up? :)
Yes, there is a reason you shouldn’t do both. First, people who don’t know anything about how ivermectin even works or interacts with other drugs (including warfarin) shouldn’t be taking it.
From the Oxford link above:
“ IVM was found to be similar to placebo in safety and tolerability, even at 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 μg/kg in healthy volunteers [43], BUT NOT IN PATIENTS WITH COVID-19.
“In addition, the use of IVM needs further analysis when IVM is combined with other agents for COVID-19 [44, 45]
45”Concerns have been raised about adverse drug-drug interactions (example microsomal enzyme inhibition, Pgp inhibition) when ivermectin will be used concurrently with other drugs (lopinavir/ritonavir) in COVID 19 treatment.”
And the Second reason is, TIME. The incubation period of Delta is half that of last years. You’d have to wait for symptoms and then take ivermectin to reach alleged effective serum levels which may take days of treatent, if at all, with a disease that doesn’t give you days to play with anymore. One dose does not cure you and Time means damage. Monoclonals are immediate. So yeah, I’m loving monoclonals as a lifesaver.
In short:
- no treatment is 100%, but both ivm and monoclonals appear to be effective against covid.
- both therapeutics are most effective in early stages of Covid
- no medicine is without side effects, neither ivermectin nor monoclonals.
- ivermectin has a an excellent safety profile in humans and has decades of studies on it. Regen-cov appears to be safe but has less than one year of data and limited studies.
- ivermectin does not have the exclusion criteria that monoclonals do
Good post!
“ Notice the story didn’t say he had to be hospitalized or died.”
No, but they are still hoping.
“Getting sick” is not the same as “contracting COVID”.
Basically, if one is regularly pre-dosing with Ivermectin, the event of “contracting COVID” becomes more or less a total non-event in which the body says to the virus, “You’ve got three hours to have a little fun and then, it’s Kibash time”. Viral load NEVER gets high or out of control.
No fear, no hospital, no ventilator tube...and what else? Natural immunity as a parting gift, to boot. What’s not to like?
Death. Deaths. And of course now many testimonies online of adverse reactions and suspected deaths from the mRNA experimental program.
One notes that the WHO April 2020 guidelines allowed âÂÂpresumedâ and similar wiggle words into the classification of a COVID death, and the presumptions continue.
When a high profile case and the tallying of cases which do not end in death take center stage, alongside them stands âÂÂsurvivalâ and healing and natural immunity.
re: “if less people are dying I would call that a success story.”
No matter the debilitating side effect? Oooookkkkkaaaayyyy. Living like a vegetable is _not_ really living ...
Oh no. Now you have poked the disciples of the high church of ivermectin. No doubt you will also hear from the sisters of the order of HCQ. May God have mercy on your soul.
But of course you are correct in what you have said.
When there isn’t anything that can save more lives? Seriously??? Monoclonal antibodies save more lives.
Nope. The disciples of the church of ivermectin say it’s a prophylaxis as well. You may lose elder status without knowing that.
Got a cite for that claim?
In any case, isn’t a prophylaxis or early treatment far preferable? Especially when the protocol for use of the monoclonal antibody treatment is this...
The CDC has largely failed in developing accurate tests for COVID presence or recovery.
WTF?
I caught the Wuhan whoopsie from a Moderna vaxinated person.
He gave it to me, my fully Moderna vaxinated daughter and my fully Moderna vaxinated son-in-law.
There was no noticeable differences with the severity of our illnesses.
So go shove your lies where the sun don’t shine.
Hey, we can name call too.
Moron blueThumb ignores the successes as seen on a LARGE scale, like in India.
The devil works much on the same principle as that as blueThumb is presently working - telling selected ‘small’ stories while dodging the telling of the WHOLE truth.
Ivermectin is not a prophylaxis. It is at best a weak early treatment. Monoclonal sorry virtually stop the disease in its tracks. The literature on ivermectin is at best equivocal if one reads it instead of worships it.
Monoclonal are also an excellent post exposure prophylaxis. This plus a targeted therapeutic are exactly what the vaccine doubters want. The question is will you be intellectually consistent?
I would love to see studies on that.
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