Posted on 07/23/2021 10:17:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
An ICU specialist at a South African teaching hospital has hit back strongly at claims made by a respected pulmonologist that ivermectin is of no use in treating Covid-19.
Prof Nathi Mdladla, head of the ICU at Dr George Mukhari Academic Hospital and Sefako Makgatho University, said the claims made by Dr Emmanuel Taban that the drug offered little benefit and had contributed to liver failure in a number of patients were “scaremongering at its worst”.
“I have treated more than 200 Covid-19 outpatients including relatives and friends and their contacts,” Mdladla said in a rebuttal sent to TimesLIVE.
“Between myself and other colleagues who’ve been managing outpatient Covid-19 with ivermectin we have thousands of patients with very few who have progressed to hospitalisation and even fewer who had liver failure.”
Mdladla noted that his hospital was the only academic one using ivermectin to treat Covid-19 patients during the third wave and were seeing “phenomenal results”.
Mdladla also took aim at Taban's claim that patients were presenting with liver failure caused by ivermectin.
“We have not observed a disproportionate increase in cases of liver failure, but we have saved hundreds of patients with the drug,” he said.
Mdladla said a peer-reviewed meta-analysis published in the Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy in April 2020 on safety of high doses of ivermectin offered the “highest level” of evidence examining safety issues around the drug.
“In their discussion they note that side effects were not any worst even with high doses with ivermectin, and interestingly, severe liver affectation or liver failure is not something they have picked up,” he said.
Other safety studies also concluded that the side effects experienced by patients on ivermectin were no different to those taking the placebo, he added.
Liver dysfunction in Covid-19 patients who were also taking ivermectin was more likely a result of the disease itself, he said.
“We have been doing liver function tests on patients admitted with severe Covid-19 since the first wave and we have always known that some patients present with severe derangements in their liver functions and sometimes failure,” he said.
The specialist also warned that people using ivermectin meant for animals were at higher risk of dangerous side effects than those using pure grade ivermectin as verified by the SA Health Products Regulatory Authority (Sahpra) and available in tablets supplied legally by dispensing and compounding pharmacists.
Due to the “obstructive nature” of Sahpra's compassionate use programme, along with media disinformation, many patients were still using animal products which contain excipients — binding and storage compounds such as ethylene glycol — that are known to cause liver failure in high doses, he said.
Mdladla said people wishing to use ivermectin should seek out doctors who would be able to prescribe ivermectin supplied from legal sources.
“This is what I have been prescribing and perhaps why we have not seen what he [Taban] is claiming,” he said.
As SA's vaccine rollout continued, Mdladla noted that even the jabs were failing in some patients who needed to be hospitalised.
“I have treated a number of these with ivermectin,” he said, “yet I will never say patients should not get vaccinated.”
” If it were a sure fire cure and worked well, wouldn’t every physician be using it? I know I would be.”
LOL, as if you don’t know the answer to that. For others, all physicians have to answer to others, be it employers, insurance companies, hospitals, medical groups, etc. and everyone has to operate in a way that shields them from liability.
So what’s the best liability shield?
Easy Answer: “Dr. Fauchi says Ivermectin doesn’t work, therefore don’t sue me if you die”
Game over...90% or more of doctors will treat Ivermectin as radioactive.
But a question for you: We’re now well over a year since Ivermectin was shown, in vitro and at super-high doses, to kill off the virus, and is now being used around the world - Why hasn’t there been any large-scale studies on it? Maybe because they fear the results?
Agree, and I think the situation with the Ketogenic diet, diabetes and obesity says it all. Once special interests get control of certain parts of government - in this case nutrition, they can effectively SILENCE anyone they disagree with.
Want to reverse diabetes and get off of insulin and possibly all drugs - go on Keto diet. But doctors aren’t allowed to tell you that, because the food industry controls nutrition and doesn’t want you eating Keto foods (which have little processing and therefore little profit...and now are responsible for global warming, since they heavily meat-based). So you take your insulin and eat your carbs...and your health goes to hell at the same time.
There is no equivocal data about Ivermectin safety. It has been around for over 40 years and is on the safe medicines list. The equivocation is around it’s effectiveness for Covid and, looked at objectively, it has been successful everywhere it’s been used. Just look at India.
They keep calling for this type of trial and that for Ivermectin, how about trials for the so-called vaccines, none of which has gone through any rigorous testing. The general public is being used as guinea pigs.
Great discussion....
I woukd like to amplify the point about the studies about ivermectin... so many are designed to fail, it just makes me sick... why would they have such small doses? Why wkukd they NOT include zinc??? Why would the do the correct dosage, but give Hydroxychloroquine to the control group?
Medicine hae been infected with politics...censorship and the free flow of information. No doctor wants to be prescribing Snake Oil... But there is a lot of money to be made with Snake Oil... truth in advertising is dead...
Well
I suppose you are incorrect. I never had anyone refuse to fill ivermectin. It was always easy to procure
I wrote for it dozens of times
It just never worked
I had one case in the hospital in later phase disease that I gave it and it seemed to turn things around. But that was the only case. I never had an issue writing for it in early disease
So whatever position paper you might have read it never translates into practice.
So whatever position paper you might have read it never translates into practice.
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I’ve read research that shows Ivermectin works - lots of it.
I’ve read the pharma advisories warning pharmacists they are jeopardizing their professional reputation and may be subject to further review should they fill prescriptions for Ivermectin.
On FR, people have reported asking for Ivermectin early when ill and being denied, told to return to the hospital when in need of ventilators.
Or have been denied because it didn’t work I no longer prescribe ivermectin because In my experience even in early disease it doesn’t work reliably or predictably.
What I do is get people to an infusion center for regeneron. I have seen this stop the dozens of times. With a high degree of dependability. I have not had a single patient progress once given regeneron
It’s the difference between what you have read. And what I have successfully done.
If you are all about choice for the unvaccinated which should be a choice instead of promoting only something that is marginal why don’t you also equally promote monoclonal therapy?
Ah but you are a fake doctor, and I am referring to physicians who put their names and reputations on the line for the sake of their patients. Entire countries reporting crushing their Covid outbreak with Ivermectin versus some anonymous poster saying all research, all countries, all physicians providing their names, faces, reputations to the public when stating Ivermectin works are imaginary.
People sent for infusions are too often turned down. Crazy that we have toxic vaccines which can score an Emergency Use Authorization after less than a year of poorly designed, brief trials too small in size, using a fake PCR test, but we just can’t let patients and their physicians decide if they want to try protocols including Ivermectin and HCQ. Even if it means dying, these FDA approved drugs will be denied patients.
Nope, allowing sick people to be treated would ‘ruin’ the Emergency Use AUthorization criteria for the biowarfare agents.
One of the problems is lack of access to patients in the early stages. Most people wait until pneumonia has set in before they head to the hospital. The days of “Oh I might have been exposed, I need to get tested” seem to be over.
If you are so worried about Covid that you are willing to experiment with horse medicine, get the vaccine.
The Governors of most states are not allowing it due to the CDC. Get informed rather than being a political hack.
No one with a lick of sense listens to anything these frauds have to say, they’ve lost all credibility long ago.
“We are not — the reason there is divergence of opinion is because there is equivocal data.”
From what I have read, ivermectin works in the majority of cases when used in correct fashion, but is not effective in every case, just as no drug is. The divergence of opinion comes from people in control of the pharmaceutical industry that have locked out any news about the MATH + stellar successes, for instance, that uses ivermectin in association with other therapeutics.
I was equivocal on your posts until this one. The data before was slightly muddy.
But your illogic and irrationality in this post lets me know you have as much credibility as a Washington Post “fact checker.” Whether you are even a doctor is doubtful.
People who put a professional title in their handle on a political blog are suspect right off the bat. They are people of questionable character, and certainly not people of trustworthy character.
Propagandists are a dreary fact of life, nowadays.
thanx for that...
** divergence of opinion is because there is equivocal data**
same logic(or lack of it) could be said about the “vaccines”.
Phase 3 COVE study ... EUA for Moderna was given based on originally 5 out of 95 people (90 in the placebo group), then 11 out of 196 people(185 in the placebo group) getting the shot and their reaction to it...and most Drs. jumped on board.
Moderna’s actual Phase III is a 24 to 25-month study of 30k participants (actually 25,654) that really started in December 2020...so results wont be around until after 01/2023?
As a comparison, the Ebola vaccine was 5 years in the making. The startup was in 2014. It was given FDA full approval 12/2019. By that time, there were no cases so they had taken it to Africa during an outbreak, using that as their trial.
We are the guinea pigs...and the vaccine is really no longer being sold as a vaccine...
yet, the logic about ivermectin use\non-use isn’t that it doesn’t work, it’s that there isn’t enough proof that it does work?
Or you can just go with HCQ, zinc and a zpak. 3-5 days and you are over it.
The math changes downward somewhat but the figures are still good enough to recommend its use.
Thanks for your posts, here.
You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how incorrect it may be. I appreciate that you think there is an entire conspiracy based theory about what is happening, but the fact of the matter is that he very minute amount of physicians opinion that run contrary to what we see everyday is what you post and utilize. There are outlying opinions on every subject. It is fine that you choose to side with those opinions that are outying an advocate for your stance — that does not mean that I am fake. The fact that those of us on this board choose not to post our names because o f the abuse taken from some on your side does not discredit our opinion.
I can find a plethora of published data that agree with my stance — and more importantly those of us working in our communities where we are well known are indeed taken seriously and shaping care.
And ad the end of the day, there is this incontrovertible data — right now in the southeast 97% of patients hospitalized are the unvaccinated — this is being demonstrates across all of the south and the southwest where the surges are occurring. None of the patients vaccinated are critical, and all are recovering. If ADE were a think go the 180M vaccinations given — we would have millions of deaths. We do not.
These are data. And if it were the other way around, I would be telling that story as well. I have no emotion vested in this — I just wan to see our ICUs not full, and people not dying of CoVID. That is my only goal. Ivermectin does not do that nor does HCQ, even on the best data published that you site, it does not reduce death into the greater than 95% range and stop the disease like monoclonals. Nad like the vaccination that appears to reduce death > 99%. That is effective prophylaxis and treatment.
The treatment of president trump was:
1. Decadron (6 mg a day 5 days)
2. Regeneron
3. Vitamin supplement I believe
He was not given Ivermectin or HCQ. In fact I believe PDJT said he was taking HCQ prop[hylaxis and got sick anyway. He stated that the Regeneron made him feel like superman.
He was NOT treated with Ivermectin or HCQ — and given that, I think we know what the president was treated with — that is how every American should be treated.
Whatever it does for Fauci disease, it is not just a "horse medicine". Look up "river blindness".
Yes the three vaccines are worthless as less than 3% patients hospitalized have been vaccinated and zero of them have been critical or died — remind me again how there are worthless? This in the setting of a much more contagions variant that is not more deadly but about has deadly than the original strain.
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