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Could Pfizer and Moderna Be in Trouble After the Latest COVID Vaccine Findings?
Motley Fool ^ | Keith Speights And Brian Orelli

Posted on 07/10/2021 9:42:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Brian Orelli: There's a bit of an extrapolation going on here. The researchers looked at memory B cells, which tend to provide more long-term protection than, let's say, antibodies. They looked at those in the lymph nodes and found the cells were there as long as 15 weeks.

Typically, they'd mostly be gone by four to six weeks. So that's the basis of this claim that it could offer protection for years. If true, that will be a big blow obviously to vaccine makers, at least for Moderna and BioNTech.

Pfizer would be fine because it's so diversified. It's really hard to make an argument for the valuations of Moderna and BioNTech right now if these vaccines are one and done over a couple of years. They really need to have ongoing sales until they can get growth from other drugs in their pipelines.

Speights: Right. Obviously, if these vaccines provide immunity for multiple years, these companies aren't going to make nearly as much money as they expect and a lot of investors expect.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: chinavirusvaccine; info; moderna; pfizer
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To: BenLurkin

Actually a multi-year vaccine will still make plenty of money. Heck in the long run maybe even more, you can charge more, and you’ll get folks who don’t want to get a shot every year but are still generally willing. Haven’t heard of any tetanus shot makers going bankrupt. I think they’ll be fine.


21 posted on 07/10/2021 10:36:52 AM PDT by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: rktman

I find the recent government announcements that booster shots won’t be necessary curiously intriguing...

...considering that they refuse to wave this ‘banner’.


22 posted on 07/10/2021 10:59:03 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: bgill

Maybe Pfizer but never Gates’ and Fauxi’s Moderna.

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hmmm

I thought gates was a long time big stockholder of pfizer?


23 posted on 07/10/2021 11:06:57 AM PDT by thinden ( )
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To: BenLurkin

There’s no downside to any and all errors — deliberate or unintentional — made by the experimental “vaccine” manufacturers as they have been awarded complete immunity (the only immunity associated with the experimental “vaccines”) by their business partner, the Democrat/communist/Left-controlled U.S. government. (I wouldn’t at all be surprised if we someday learn that Hunter Biden has “a piece of the action” which would of course include the normal 10% “taste” paid to “Pops”.)


24 posted on 07/10/2021 11:07:08 AM PDT by glennaro (Dennis Prager: "Until it's safe" means "Never")
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To: Sacajaweau
I got the J&J...cuz it’s an ordinary flu vaccine.

Sorry, no, it's not.

25 posted on 07/10/2021 11:20:03 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Claiming Racism, the antidote to personal responsibility)
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To: BenLurkin

This article is absurd! Pfizer said last week the vaccines are already wearing off and that people will need boosters NOW.


26 posted on 07/10/2021 11:23:38 AM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: Karl Spooner

Dint read you stuff

Your talking adverse due to whatever,fine.
Article is about investing in 2 maybe 3 companies.
Investors dont give a crap if you live or die.


27 posted on 07/10/2021 11:50:04 AM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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To: katieanna; ransomnote; grey_whiskers; metmom

I called my congressman’s office for the second time yesterday telling him that they MUST discontinue the shots NOW because of all the devastating effects. The staffer said they’ve been getting lots of calls.

....

Bless you!! This is what we should ALL be doing!

28 posted on 07/10/2021 11:56:49 AM PDT by Jane Long (S**** the CDC and their pronouncements; they have long since lost ALL credibility.~HA, FR VP)
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To: katieanna

I got the Pfizer vaccine and am doing fine. The magnetism took some getting used to at first, but on the plus side I never have to worry about dropped keys or paperclips ever again! /s


29 posted on 07/10/2021 12:03:48 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: BenLurkin

I thought PFE stock would go down in light of the Israeli 64% effective vs. Delta figure. But it hasn’t. Perhaps it make sense to buy December puts on these stocks in expectation of more failure. They are SO overbought.


30 posted on 07/10/2021 12:13:18 PM PDT by montag813
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To: rktman

Pedo joe: “Get the shot. Guaranteed safe and effective!”

I guess he means the shot that was developed under the Trump administration.

Well except when it kills folks or disables them or those that are “fully vaccinated” get the CV anyway.

Israel did a pretty comprehensive study on the COVID vax. It was published by some anti-vaxxers; unfortunately the actual data shows only 4 people over the age of 60 (out of 15396) and 0 people under the age of 60 (out of 28475) dying of COVID 14+ days after their second shot, which is when full immunity from the vaccine. I decided the risk of vaccination did not outweigh the risk of COVID, which probably wouldn't kill me but might give me permanent lung damage. I'm a healthy early 30-something and so far the only side effects I've had from the vaccine have been similar to those you would get from a flu shot (headache, fatigue, pain at the injection site). Similar duration too.

https://tapnewswire.com/2021/06/urgent-warning-from-israel-as-jab-death-toll-rises/

31 posted on 07/10/2021 12:16:17 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: FormerFRLurker

Should read “which is when full immunity from the vaccine is reached.”


32 posted on 07/10/2021 12:17:55 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: BenLurkin

https://drstevenhatfill.com/the-covid-19-spike-protein-and-the-still-uncertain-side-effects-of-the-mrna-vaccines/


33 posted on 07/10/2021 12:23:40 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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To: Bell Bouy II

Then why did you complain about there were no adverse affects mentioned in the article? It’s possible there are investors in these companies on this forum, but they probably don’t care like you say, but you never know for sure.


34 posted on 07/10/2021 12:37:13 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
any one with a managed Roth/401 whatever may/does own one or more.....
35 posted on 07/10/2021 12:42:48 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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To: BenLurkin; ransomnote; Jane Long; bitt; bagster; numberonepal; Cletus.D.Yokel; Cathi

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

Thanks, BenLurkin.

For the rest: *PING*.

Moderna is trying to use Coof vaccines to keep their stock afloat; this ties into their earlier SEC filing I talked about where they admit their treatments are experimental gene therapy.


36 posted on 07/10/2021 1:14:53 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Isn’t FRAUDci heavily invested in ModeRNA?

Are any of these Moderna ‘vaccines’ any of the 58 that CDC holds patent to?


37 posted on 07/10/2021 1:21:08 PM PDT by Jane Long (S**** the CDC and their pronouncements; they have long since lost ALL credibility.~HA, FR VP)
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To: Sacajaweau
I got the J&J...cuz it’s an ordinary flu vaccine.

AZ and J&J are designed to inject new DNA strands into the nucleus of a cell which will encode the mRNA, which leaves the nucleus into the ribosomes to produce the spike proteins. This cycle will continue until the cell dies as the DNA remains in the nucleus to continue encoding more and more mRNA. This differs from Moderna and Pfizer as they send mRNA directly into the cell to make the spike proteins, which then dissipates/dissolves after its instructions are completed with no additional mRNA to be encoded as no DNA is put into the cell to keep encoding it.

38 posted on 07/10/2021 1:51:45 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BenLurkin

YES!


39 posted on 07/10/2021 1:53:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: katieanna
I called my congressman’s office for the second time yesterday telling him that they MUST discontinue the shots NOW because of all the devastating effects. The staffer said they’ve been getting lots of calls.

I'm sure they are - lots of keyboard warriors spreading lies and misinformation for over a year now and they are getting increasingly desperate as time goes on.

40 posted on 07/10/2021 1:54:13 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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