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Science Translational Medicine mRNA Vaccines
ScienceMag.org ^ | Jan. 2021 - current | Derek Lowe, et al

Posted on 05/08/2021 9:17:52 PM PDT by Cathi

Exceptional "deep in the weeds" ongoing scientific discussion between scientists, doctors and other medical professionals about the mRNA vaccine.

Absolutely the most detailed and forthright conversation on these vaccines I have read so far.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: herecometheqlowns; mrnavaccines
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To: Cathi

Bookmark.

Thank you for posting this.


21 posted on 05/08/2021 11:53:16 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan ( )
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To: Cathi; gas_dr
Questions:
  1. Blood clots are a small but recognized risk (4 in a million). When getting the vaccine, should people take a mild blood thinner such as a baby aspirin, tumeric or garlic to further lower that risk?
  2. Also apolipoprotein A-IV (ApoA-IV) found in olive oil also as an anti-clotting effect. Would it be wise to consume prior to and after getting the vaccine?
  3. The spike protein by itself is now being discussed as having the potential to cause vascular system damage. This may or may not be through the CD147 receptor. If it is, then could a natural CD147 receptor blocker mitigate some of the damage from the spike proteins? I read that tumeric may be a natural cd147 receptor blocker.
  4. Likewise, apolipoprotein A-IV (ApoA-IV) found in olive oil, coats the interior lining of the vascular system providing some protection against heart disease. Could it protect the vascular system from the spike protein?
  5. Finally, Ivermectin + zinc is believed to block viral replication of the coronavirus. Ivermectin is not believed to intefere with the vaccine in any way and won't intefere with the existence of the spike protein or the immune response to it. But could ivermectin possibly block the damage from the spike protein? And if so, by what mechanism? It wouldn't be by blocking viral replication in the cell, as there is no virus just the spike protein.

To recap, the questions are:

  1. Mild blood thinners to lower the risk of blood clots?
  2. Olive oil to lower the risk of blood clots?
  3. Tumeric to reduce vascular system damage from the spike protein?
  4. Olive oil to reduce vascular system damage from the spike protein?
  5. Ivermectin + zinc to reduce vascular system damage from the spike protein? and if so, mechanism?

22 posted on 05/09/2021 12:00:25 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: EasySt

Appalled is putting it mildly. My suspicions are confirmed exactly by this clip “ much greater risk of systemic and critical tissue and organ damage than other vaccines, especially if multiple booster shots are needed, with side effects that may not manifest for years (with cumulative damage and chronic inflammation)”. Imagine the outrage, anger, and rebellion by those that took the experimental jabs from our corrupted government and Pharma that tricked many into believing they were safe....


23 posted on 05/09/2021 12:01:07 AM PDT by delta7
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To: Cathi

bkmrk


24 posted on 05/09/2021 12:22:07 AM PDT by Ymani Cricket ( "Pressure Makes Diamonds" ~General Patton)
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To: Cathi

Thanks for posting a really good article.

Does the vaccine cross the blood brain barrier and alter spinal fluid?


25 posted on 05/09/2021 1:51:14 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: DannyTN; Cathi

To recap, the questions are:

Mild blood thinners to lower the risk of blood clots?
Olive oil to lower the risk of blood clots?
Tumeric to reduce vascular system damage from the spike protein?
Olive oil to reduce vascular system damage from the spike protein?
Ivermectin + zinc to reduce vascular system damage from the spike protein? and if so, mechanism?
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I don’t have specific answers but wanted to comment on the thinners.

The clots are basically sticky strands of blood cells that should otherwise not stick together.
Many, many reports in VAERS are for people who have stroke-like symptoms or damage but no visible clot when studied. Reads like the blood thickened but did not form a hard clot and cleared either by intervention or on it’s own, sometimes resolving symptoms and sometimes causing lasting damage requiring physical therapy, transfer to ‘stroke ward.’

So your idea of thinners has some merit, however, there’s a reported problem with Thrombocytopenia.

Some people having symptoms following vaccination are tested and have 0 platelets for clotting! Previously thought to be impossible and when first encoutnered post vaccine believed to be a lab error. But upon re-testing, accurate lab result.

Typically, TCP assumes some platelets for clotting were destroyed, pr bone marrow not making the platlets etc. But post vax, this happens too swiftly to be plately production halt. So likely either platelets destroyed or more often - severe clotting in some regions of the body ‘occupy’ all clotting platelets.

I’ve read about patients who have both clots and an inability to stop bleeding. So you have a clot and let’s say they want to operate - all the clotting platets are ‘apparently’ in the clot location (pulmonary, brain, extremeties) and there are none left over for clotting at the incision site.

There are many strokes from ‘cerebrovascular accidents’ but there are also brain bleeds.

So with thinners you could bleed out if you have issues with failure of clotting platelets. :(


26 posted on 05/09/2021 1:51:34 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Cathi

This article was publushed four months ago. The bulk of the comments are three months old. Is there a follow-up article to this one that takes into account the vastly expanded VAERS database information accumulated since January and any other specific technical/scientific/engineering information about the actual mRNA serums and how they function in situ?


27 posted on 05/09/2021 2:54:42 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Cathi

Can you give us a one paragraph summary?


28 posted on 05/09/2021 3:37:13 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: grey_whiskers

I always feel guilty scrolling past big blocks of text like that, without reading past the first two lines.

I just know there’s interesting and enlightening material in that cinder block but I just can’t bring myself to sift through it. Life is too short.

I’ll wait for the Reader’s Digest version.


29 posted on 05/09/2021 3:55:42 AM PDT by DNME (... at that awkward stage. Too late to work within the system; too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: DNME

I hardly doubt you’re the only one. I skipped it too. Could use more paragraphs but it also has to do with the fact that FR has no margins and uses whatever the default text of your browser is. Makes for a really wide, ugly book.


30 posted on 05/09/2021 4:21:25 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: nikos1121

“Can you give us a one paragraph summary?”

About 10 different scientists, doctors, etc. discussing issues with the mRNA vaccine “that’s been raising great concern for me and lately, most of medical and biomedical colleagues: What exactly is the tissue tropism (distribution) and cellular localization of these nanoparticles, and could this pose a side effect threat through errant MHC-I-mediated autoimmunity? Are they crossing the blood-brain barrier? Entering the parenchyma of vital organs (that even SARS-CoV-2 can’t access) and expressing the coronavirus spike protein on MHC-1 molecules, making these critical tissues targets of cytotoxic attack?”

In effect: Are these vaccines dangerous.


31 posted on 05/09/2021 4:21:39 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

With all the different processes, at a cellular level, it seems hard to believe these jabs are going to go as planned in all cases in this huge variable pool of humans and their biological variability.


32 posted on 05/09/2021 4:37:44 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: Cathi

The article appears quite good....haven’t finished yet, though.


33 posted on 05/09/2021 5:54:48 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: sanjuanbob

BTT


34 posted on 05/09/2021 7:06:33 AM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: Cathi

The Salk institute just came out with a damning paper on the vaccines. They said it could be the worst crime against humanity evah!


35 posted on 05/09/2021 8:04:04 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Cathi

You’ve got to love the CDC..:-) There is no end to their attempts to keep the public in the dark. They have delayed publishing “adverse events reports” by months...making it appear that far less reports had been received.

Now, they want to obfuscate the breakthrough case reporting.

“As previously announced, CDC is transitioning to reporting only patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection that were hospitalized or died to help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. That change in reporting will begin on May 14, 2021. In preparation for that transition, the number of reported breakthrough cases will not be updated on May 7, 2021.”


36 posted on 05/09/2021 9:45:05 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: grey_whiskers

Dead cells don’t hang around, they’re dissolved. And since the proteins and enzymes inside can be dangerous toxins if absorbed by other living cells, the body is pretty good at cleaning them up.


37 posted on 05/09/2021 10:56:46 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: tired&retired
Does the vaccine cross the blood brain barrier and alter spinal fluid?

Yes.

S says: 11 January, 2021 at 8:38 pm Good information. Yes, a recent paper has been published in Nature Neuroscience entitled “The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice” to uncover its ability to cross Blood Brain Barrier. Which tissues will mRNA vaccine target exactly? A little alarming situation, this. Would be better if more information by vaccine companies are provided rather than getting anxious on trade secrets.

38 posted on 05/09/2021 10:58:44 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: nikos1121
Over-simplification by me. Can you give us a one paragraph summary?

It has in fact been found that mRNA from the injections doesn't stay in the injection site, but gets carried all over the body, and crosses the blood-brain barrier.

Pfizer and Moderna were real quiet about the existence or tests of any results, of tests, about the distribution of mRNA following injection.

If any brain cells express the spike protein, the immune system puts a hit out on them.

39 posted on 05/09/2021 11:00:24 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: pierrem15
Yah, I know.

But that does not address --

the cells with the spike protein, being destroyed by the immune system

the cells presenting the spike protein, merging with neighboring cells

in either/both of the above cases, either the direct effects of said cells suddenly missing from the brain, or, any downstream effects or markers caused by, or left by, the immune system, which could lead t progressive damage over time.

The potential would increase with each successive booster shot.

40 posted on 05/09/2021 11:14:34 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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