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Carrying Guns in Public is Not a Constitutional Right, Ninth Circuit Rules
courthousenews ^ | 3/24/2021 | nicholas iovino

Posted on 03/24/2021 4:25:14 PM PDT by bitt

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To: bitt

They sure would hate Vermont.


21 posted on 03/24/2021 5:00:43 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: bitt

They sure would hate Vermont.


22 posted on 03/24/2021 5:01:09 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: bitt

It’s a state constitutional right where I live so tell the 9th Circus to suck it.

Red states matter.


23 posted on 03/24/2021 5:01:37 PM PDT by NWFree (Socialism is legalized plunder)
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To: bitt

Hate to to break to the commie bozos in robes, but...

That issue will be settled in the streets.

Eventually.

And we’ll win.


24 posted on 03/24/2021 5:04:31 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: ScubaDiver

Yeah, thank goodness Trump “cemented a conservative majority” by giving us awesome “conservative” judges like Gorsuch.


25 posted on 03/24/2021 5:10:28 PM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy

Fair point. But, I actually think Gorsuch will come through on this. He has a pronounced libertarian streak in him.

It’s Barret & Kavanaugh...and Roberts, that are likely to go wobbly.


26 posted on 03/24/2021 5:12:04 PM PDT by ScubaDiver (Reddit refugee.)
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To: bitt
It's called a right to bear arms. And a well-ordered militia is not a militia if it is confined to individual locking guns in gun cabinets in their houses.

But I have a lot of faith in Frat Boy and RCB Redux and no-standing Roberts and they will run as fast as they can from this case. Standing? Who actually has a harm? Besides, what do you think we can do about it? Nuffin, I tell ya.

27 posted on 03/24/2021 5:15:33 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ScubaDiver
FReepers love to curse out Bush for giving us Roberts, but there was far more evidence suggested Roberts would be an actual conservative than there was with Trump's so-called "originalist" appointees.

Roberts had been a Rehnquist clerk and had a wife who was a card-carrying member of a pro-life organization.

Gorsuch was a Kennedy clerk and had some radical "social justice" feminazi pastor.

But FReepers had orgasms over the latter appointment.

28 posted on 03/24/2021 5:17:44 PM PDT by BillyBoy ("States rights" is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat
Voting is no longer a constitutional right either,

It is too. For EVERYBODY, and if we think they didn't have a fair opportunity to vote, we will provide their vote for them. /Sarcasm

29 posted on 03/24/2021 5:17:45 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: bitt
Looking back on 700 years of legal history dating back to 14th century England, seven judges in the majority found “overwhelming evidence” that the law has never given people “an unfettered right to carry weapons in public spaces.”

What does 700 years have to do with anything? For ~250 years the second amendment, which is not just a law, has specifically prohibited the government from infringing our right to keep and bear, own and carry, firearms.

30 posted on 03/24/2021 5:22:12 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: bitt

You really need to read the 1982 Senate report on the 2nd Amendment. I have a paper copy.

https://guncite.com/journals/senrpt/senrpt.html

“The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.”

19th century cases
16. * Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878).

“If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the (p.17)penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.”

17. * Jennings v. State, 5 Tex. Crim. App. 298, at 300-01 (1878).

“We believe that portion of the act which provides that, in case of conviction, the defendant shall forfeit to the county the weapon or weapons so found on or about his person is not within the scope of legislative authority. * * * One of his most sacred rights is that of having arms for his own defence and that of the State. This right is one of the surest safeguards of liberty and self-preservation.”

18. * Andrews v. State, 50 Tenn. 165, 8 Am. Rep. 8, at 17 (1871).

“The passage from Story (Joseph Story: Comments on the Constitution) shows clearly that this right was intended, as we have maintained in this opinion, and was guaranteed to and to be exercised and enjoyed by the citizen as such, and not by him as a soldier, or in defense solely of his political rights.”

19. * Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846).

“’The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.”

And the SCOTUS case that led to the Civil War..

Are Negros citizens...Dred Scott
“It would give to persons of the negro race, who are recognized as citizens in any one state of the Union, the right to enter every other state, whenever they pleased.... and it would give them full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might meet; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to KEEP AND CARRY ARMS wherever they went.”

Paragraph 77 in the link below.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZO.html


31 posted on 03/24/2021 5:24:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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To: Candor7

They’re hard at work trying to twist the meaning of our VT Constitution too. Far left black-robed tyrants are intent on removing rights that have existed here since 1788.


32 posted on 03/24/2021 5:27:19 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: GreyHoundSailor

I have carried my Ruger 44 mag openly in Vermont bars when I lived there. No one gave a damn.

Saturday afternoons after range time could be like that in some towns.


33 posted on 03/24/2021 5:30:52 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: Candor7

Northern Vermont is nothing like Chittenden County, which is infested with flatlanders who detest both our history & our Constitution.


34 posted on 03/24/2021 5:39:09 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Rocky
2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Perfect!
35 posted on 03/24/2021 5:42:03 PM PDT by John Galt's cousin (All should know that a democratic republic ≠ direct democracy ≠ oligarchy ≠ dictatorship.)
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To: Rocky

“keep AND BEAR” means clearly “to keep AND TO CARRY”.

Liberals only get by by changing the meanings of words.


36 posted on 03/24/2021 5:49:24 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: GreyHoundSailor

I was a NEK Boy for 27 years.

St. J , Barnet, Lyndonville. mostly Caledonia County.

I loved that place. But work took me away.

Chittendon Co. is a real laugh. Mostly hippies and children of hippies. They take excursions into the hinterlands of Vermont and talk about the quaint natives. I had no time for the idiots back then and I sure as hell don’t now.I remember when Bernie Sanders was mayor of Stannard ( population 16), going around protesting at garbage trucks because there was no recycling. ( One of my Christmas tree farmer friends cucked Bernie by screwing his 1st wife. My how the low have risen off the wave of Chittenden.)

I miss those green hills and huge oak trees in the old growth stands.


37 posted on 03/24/2021 6:09:11 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: GreyHoundSailor
I still love this.

Ethan Allen would love it too:

Because of that spirit the lefty idiots will never take the 2nd amendment away in Vermont.Its the spirit. It lives all over Vermont.

38 posted on 03/24/2021 6:22:37 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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To: Candor7

Seth Warner approves.


39 posted on 03/24/2021 6:26:56 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: who knows what evil?

Seth Warner approves.>>>>>>>>>>>

A great man. Too bad we don’t now have a few more like him.


40 posted on 03/24/2021 6:29:26 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html) )
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