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You Were Duped Into Saying Yes. Is That Still Consent?
NY Slimes ^ | March 5, 2021 | Roseanna Sommers

Posted on 03/05/2021 1:31:50 PM PST by Stravinsky

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To: dangus
Really? Fraud never gets you sent to jail? Fascinating.

An excellent point, yes it does. Often. And you just illustrated the confusion that the author is laboring under, or wants you to labor under.

1. If you commit fraud and by doing so you harm someone, or steal their funds, you may go to jail. That's a criminal matter.

2. In addition, a contract is made in two parts: offer and acceptance, and if the acceptance (consent) is obtained by fraud it is ineffective and therefor the contract is null and void. That's a civil matter.

But note that the lack of effective consent in 2. does not in and of itself create a crime, it merely undoes the contract. If there wasn't some other element of a crime, the mere lack of effective consent would not get you sent to jail for the rest of your life.

It's easy for non-lawyers to get these confused, but it's completely inexcusable for a law professor. Either this professor does not understand the basic structure of American law (ie civil vs. criminal) or she wants to induce that confusion to strengthen her point.

41 posted on 03/05/2021 2:42:31 PM PST by edwinland
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To: Hardastarboard

He said it was very traumatic when he finally found out! So re-telling the story must have brought that all back.


42 posted on 03/05/2021 2:48:51 PM PST by shotgun
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To: Stravinsky

Ellen needs friends like mine. They need a name, age or workplace and not only I would have known he was married, but probably the last women he did this with, tax history, parking ticket history and what ever else they could dig up.

I don’t question methods, I just get recommendations from people I trust that keep me from these types of situations.


43 posted on 03/05/2021 2:50:33 PM PST by PrincessB
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To: Stravinsky

Women tell far more lies in a relationship, I don’t think they want this legal standard set.


44 posted on 03/05/2021 2:53:08 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Stravinsky

According to femi-nazis… Having second thoughts the next day means she was RAPED the previous night.


45 posted on 03/05/2021 3:00:10 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Trump is a deposed Pres. in exile. America is truly a banana republic. Our govt. has been overthrown)
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To: simpson96

How many beers would it take to hit that?


46 posted on 03/05/2021 3:01:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Trump is a deposed Pres. in exile. America is truly a banana republic. Our govt. has been overthrown)
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To: algore

“But I know what I am and I’m glad I’m a man
And so is Lola”

People are still trying to figure out the meaning of the above.


47 posted on 03/05/2021 3:02:51 PM PST by BobL (TheDonald.win is now Patriots.win)
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To: Stravinsky

She knows the man is not married to her.


48 posted on 03/05/2021 3:03:26 PM PST by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: DannyTN

The same principle is timeless and independent of geography. He shouldn’t be able to lament that it was long ago or far away. It is also irrelevant if it was so much better then than it is today.


49 posted on 03/05/2021 3:04:27 PM PST by posterchild
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Well said.


50 posted on 03/05/2021 3:04:32 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: shotgun

“What if the man was 24 and the woman/girl told him he was 16? Then she continued to lie to him to get him to fly in to NYC twice a month for weekend hookups?”

Yes.

This writer’s argument would hold that statutory rape would not apply if the minor party told the adult he/she was 18 or more.

I doubt this writer would take that position.


51 posted on 03/05/2021 3:07:30 PM PST by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Stravinsky

Not rape rape (thanks Whoopie!) but she’s allowed to boil his pet rabbit.


52 posted on 03/05/2021 3:10:06 PM PST by John Milner (Marching for Peace is like breathing for food. )
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To: Stravinsky

Next, we can decide how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.


53 posted on 03/05/2021 3:10:26 PM PST by HIDEK6 (F God bless Donald Trump. )
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To: Stravinsky

All of timeshare is based on this premise.


54 posted on 03/05/2021 3:12:47 PM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? )
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To: Stravinsky
It's not rape because Ellen is easy and an idiot.
55 posted on 03/05/2021 3:15:09 PM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

No, he just “identifies” as a single male.


56 posted on 03/05/2021 3:21:48 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: stylin19a

“add this hook...Ellen has HIV and doesn’t tell Frank...”

Or Ellen tells Frank he looks like he’s been working out.

Or Ellen tells Frank she is going to divorce her husband.

Or Ellen tells Frank it doesn’t matter to her whether he drives a Mercedes or a Yugo.

.....


57 posted on 03/05/2021 3:23:20 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: EvilCapitalist

As hell


58 posted on 03/05/2021 3:24:14 PM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: Stravinsky
Everyone needs a sexual consent app to cover these things. I'd assume this could be a basis for civil action, which should make the lawyers happy. Hope the app has a married or single check box. Gender too. And maybe a two intercourse option.

Denmark launches sexual consent app where lovers can give permission ‘for one intercourse, valid for 24 hours’ in the wake of new rape laws

59 posted on 03/05/2021 3:29:59 PM PST by SJackson (If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun...folks in Philly like a good brawl, BH Obama)
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To: Stravinsky

It’s a fine line between, “Don’t, Stop” and “don’t stop.”


60 posted on 03/05/2021 3:31:52 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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