Posted on 12/02/2020 9:55:08 PM PST by SteveH
all other alternatives to an emergency special election seem to end in some form of violence or permanent dislocation of one main party or the other.
a re-election would be fine but suffers from the flaw that it invites a repeat in the forseeable future simply by the precedent that it sets.
holding an emergency election between the two top second tier contestants is not ideal but there is no ideal alternative. this alternative might be the fairest among the hobbesian universe of unequally unfair choices that do not ultimately involve a government collapse.
if the two major parties agree, emergency legislation could be passed in time for a short campaign, a one day election, a foreshortened but otherwise normal electoral college process, and an inauguration by january 20.
trump and biden negotiate and agree for the benefit of the country to sit this one out and let their seconds battle peacefully for the presidency. it is not a re-co and so forms an generally unpalatable precedent for all future parties in all future elections. there will be less temptation to repeat this emergency election, and the temptation to set a vanilla repeat election which would lead to an unwise precedent is removed.
major parties don't have to agree on much except for the situation to be an emergency requiring extraordinary measures to recover from the emergency. if there is not enough time, then the inauguration and other deadlines could be moved forwards by a couple of months, by mutual agreement.
Since I got involved in politics, I have seen shit you would not believe could be real.
Nothing works the way people think. What you are looking at is two great forces that rule from behind the scenes colliding. Trump is just the public tip of one iceberg you are allowed to see. And from what I have seen the forces that oppose Trump have gone too far, and left themselves too open, and as a result Trump’s forces will win.
You will see.
you drew the first blood by calling me an idiot or whatever.
that is against FR rules.
later on i responded to your insults with my lefthanded foxhole compliment.
it was obviously intended to be tongue in cheek (foxholes went out of fashion during or shortly after the vietnam war, and we do not even live in the same region, not to mention same state).
but you deliberately or dumbly misinterpreted it as serious.
and you went on projecting your attitudes on me
all of which is ludicrous.
i suggested that no one except a bully insults another person face to face with insults such as calling a person an idiot.
this evidently got you more angry.
you responded by projecting your bullying attitude on me and calling me a bully.
my reference to grade school playgrounds is historic fact from my own life.
predictably, you twisted it to imply that i was bullying you.
i reiterate that you drew first blood by your blatant violation of FR rules.
it’s back in your comments for all to read, before i ever was aware that you existed.
i reiterate that there is no reason for anyone on FR to call anyone else an idiot.
here is the FR rule that you from out of the blue violated at my expense once again:
” Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, ...”
https://freerepublic.com/home.htm
out of the gate, you obviously cannot bring yourself to adhere to FR rules.
you can’t admit you are violating those rules.
you don’t have a sense of humor.
you don’t read carefully.
you have yet to claim that you contribute to FR
(in contrast to me— i donate regularly)
and thus imho you fail to differentiate yourself from someone who merely comes to FR to make trouble and be a freeloader.
finally imho you have not added anything of value to the notions i put forward.
all heat where is the light.
big hat where are the cattle.
lots of talk where is the action.
destructive criticism but little or no constructive criticism
no net useful contribution to topic at hand.
lack of humor
unable to take a compliment or olive branch when offered
use of namecalling revealing an inability to rise beyond schoolyard argument style
perhaps you have ...issues...
perhaps you could go get a gofundme fund to help finance you to get some help to relieve your stress...
FR might not be working well in that regard for you...
just a thought...
have a nice evening...
:)
Interesting. Read later.
> There has been a re-vote in this thread looking at who liked your idea and who did not. From the posts I would say you lost.
I did not put it up for a vote. I put it up to place the idea in circulation and spark discussion.
There are now over 140 responses. I do not perceive that I “lost.”
War can be a resort but every peaceful alternative is at least worthy of consideration. People are advocating war here in a very casual manner. I put forth an idea that I have never seen discussed. It happens to be an attempt at a peaceful resolution. I freely admit it does not give pro trump advocates everything they want but that is negotiation. Neither does it give anti trump advocates everything they want but that is negotiation.
Again, the premises are
war is very bad
peace is good
attempts at negotiation are better than war without negotiation
finding a peaceful resolution acceptable (not perfect) to both sides is better than war
hindsight is rather useless once a war starts
here is an idea for you. i put forth a peaceful negotiated solution. you say it’s unacceptable, therefore war unless trump wins. perhaps you can figure out a better negotiated peaceful settlement if you do not like mine.
it is difficult for me to imagine that most people in this discussion demanding an unconditional trump win or else war being remotely prepared for an actual shooting war. ok. i think of most of you as armchair infantry. i think most people who have actually been in a war or who have studied or prepared for war do not talk about advocating war without at least gathering and considering all peaceful alternatives. i am not anti war (i think that misunderstanding might explain some if not most pushback here) but the rush among so many to advocate war implies to me that most of the pro war advocates do not know the implications and are not seriously thinking things through.
in every war there are winners and losers. therefore, everyone should go to war hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst.
to all who have advocated total capitulation or war, how have you personally prepared to fight to help win the war that you advocate?
sorry to omit the possibility that there might be some here who advocate war, but have not already prepared for war.
or some here who advocate war, but that someone else fight the war that they advocate for them?
those were unintentional omissions on my part.
it would be interesting to identify which category you are in in your response.
by the way...
how big is our army, any estimates?
anyone got any fighter bombers? RPGs? k-rations? penicillin pills? folding trench shovels? spread spectrum signal ham radios? signal jamming equipment?
what is the command structure (if anyone knows)?
again to the pro war advocates, how will we avoid friendly fire incidents once the shooting starts?
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