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Ergothioneine – a diet-derived antioxidant with therapeutic potential
FEBS LettersVolume 592, Issue 20 ^ | 31 May 2018 | Barry Halliwell, Irwin K. Cheah, Richard M. Y. Tang

Posted on 06/07/2020 7:31:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

Abstract

Ergothioneine is a thiol/thione molecule synthesised only by some fungi and bacteria. Nonetheless, it is avidly taken up from the diet by humans and other animals through a transporter, OCTN 1, and accumulates to high levels in certain tissues. Ergothioneine is not rapidly metabolised, or excreted in urine and is present in many, if not all, human tissues and body fluids. Ergothioneine has powerful antioxidant and cytoprotective properties in vitro and there is evidence that the body may concentrate it at sites of tissue injury by raising OCTN 1 levels. Decreased blood and/or plasma levels of ergothioneine have been observed in some diseases, suggesting that a deficiency could be relevant to the disease onset or progression. This brief Review explores the possible roles of ergothioneine in human health and disease.

Abbreviations

Aβ, amyloid beta peptide

CKD, chronic kidney disease

ET, ergothioneine

GSH, reduced glutathione

OCTN1, organic cation transporter (novel type‐1)

RNS, reactive nitrogen species

ROS, reactive oxygen species

The antioxidant paradox

The generation of free radicals and related reactive oxygen (ROS),11 For detailed explanations of these terms please see reference [1].
nitrogen (RNS) and other reactive species11 For detailed explanations of these terms please see reference [1].
is an inevitable consequence of aerobic life and serves many useful purposes [1-4]. Indeed, these species were key drivers of the evolution of the huge range of aerobic organisms that we find in the world today, including ourselves [1, 3, 4]. Without them, we would die early from infectious disease and other disorders [1, 3, 5]. However, there is a downside. Certain reactive species can damage biological molecules (this is called “oxidative damage”) and this oxidative damage contributes to the development of certain age‐related human diseases. The evidence for a role of ROS/RNS in the origin and progression of human disease is probably strongest for certain cancers [1, 6, 7] and for neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson disease and the dementias (especially Alzheimer disease) [1, 8-10], but they play roles in many other diseases as well (reviewed in [1, 11]). There has, therefore, been considerable interest in developing antioxidant agents with the aim to slow the onset of, and/or to treat such diseases. Interest originally focussed (and to some extent still does) on the established diet‐derived antioxidants (such as vitamins E and C) or putative ones including carotenoids and polyphenols such as the flavonoids (we say “putative” because the evidence for their antioxidant roles in vivo is not as strong as for vitamins E and C, as reviewed in reference [1]). However in general, the effects of diet‐derived antioxidants in intervention trials on human subjects have been modest at best, and sometimes, they appear to have caused harm [1, 11-15]. Multiple reasons can account for this failure, one of which is that many of these agents, administered at the high doses used in the trials, are not very effective at decreasing levels of oxidative damage in the human body [1, 11, 16]. There is, therefore, an ongoing search for better antioxidant agents, including synthetic ones such as NADPH oxidase inhibitors [3, 17] and metalloporphyrins that can scavenge a range of ROS/RNS: some of each type are presently in clinical trials [17, 18]. Another approach is to use reagents that activate the Nrf2 system, which leads to increases in the in vivo levels of several antioxidant enzymes and of reduced glutathione (GSH), a key cellular antioxidant [19]. Indeed, the beneficial effects (if any, the jury is still out) of polyphenols against certain diseases, such as cancer, have been suggested to relate more to their pro‐oxidant abilities (raising endogenous antioxidant levels in a hormetic fashion [1, 20]) than to direct antioxidant effects. However, too much Nrf2 activation may not be good [16, 19, 21], especially if it disturbs the normal essential cellular function of ROS/RNS.

Ergothioneine, a natural “antioxidant”?

Which brings us to ergothioneine (ET) a natural product with considerable in vitro antioxidant properties (reviewed in [22]). Figure 1 shows its structure; the tautomeric equilibrium favours the thione form. Studies into this thiol/thione derivative of histidine date back to the early 1900s when ET was first identified in the ergot fungus [23], hence the name. ET is synthesised by certain fungi and bacteria only, not by animals or higher plants [22, 24-26]. Nevertheless, ET can be found in a wide range of foods (Table 1 shows some data from our laboratory). However, mushrooms, which are capable of ET biosynthesis along with several other fungi, are a major source in the human diet [22, 25, 27-29]. Interestingly, some foods have large variations in the levels of ET, for example, asparagus, which we believe to be attributed to possible symbiotic relationships of these plants with soil fungi or bacteria, or pre‐ or postharvest fungal contamination (Table 1). Dietary ET in animals (including humans) is absorbed by means of an intestinal transporter, OCTN1, that has a high degree of specificity [30]. The same transporter then distributes ET to most or all body tissues: excretion from the body is slow and administered ET is highly retained in human and other animal body tissues and red blood cells [22, 31-33]. This implies that ET has a useful function, otherwise why absorb and retain it? By contrast, many polyphenols (which have frequently been suggested to act as important antioxidants in vivo ) are rapidly metabolised or excreted from the body, which instead suggests that they are unwanted xenobiotics [1]. Indeed, numerous in vitro studies have demonstrated the abilities of ET to scavenge ROS and RNS (such as hydroxyl radicals [34], hypochlorous acid [34], singlet oxygen [35, 36], and peroxynitrite [37]), modulate inflammation [38], chelate divalent metal cations such as iron and copper (thereby decreasing the ability of these metal ions to stimulate oxidative damage) [34, 39, 40], and protect against UV radiation‐induced damage [41, 42], amongst other cytoprotective activities [43]. Conversely, OCTN1 knockout animal models appear to be predisposed to oxidative stress [44, 45], although more studies in rodents to characterise the phenotype in detail and verify this are needed. image

Figure 1
The chemical structure of ET (2‐mercaptohistidine trimethylbetaine; C9H15N3O2S) and its tautomers [32]. The thione form (left) predominates at physiological pH [22]. Figure reproduced from Refs [[22],[32]].
Table 1. ET levels in a variety of mushrooms and other foods. Levels were quantified by liquid chromatography mass spectrometry (Agilent Technologies) as described in Ref.[32], using locally (Singapore) sourced foods, lyophilised and powdered. Mushrooms were kindly provided by Kok Kheng Tan (MycoBiotech). ET levels are represented as mg per 100 g dry weight in mushrooms and mg per 1 kg dry weight for all other foods, as the average of three or more samples of each food. Interestingly, some foods had large variations in ET levels depending on source, such as asparagus *, which is known in certain circumstances to grow symbiotically with fungi (mycorrhiza); asparagus itself cannot synthesise ET since its genome does not contain the necessary genes. Pre‐ or postharvest fungal or bacterial contamination may also alter ET levels in foods. LOQ; below limits of quantitation
Mushrooms varieties Ergothioneine (mg per 100 g dry weight) Fruits and vegetables Ergothioneine (mg per kg dry weight)
Boletus edulis (cepes) 181.24 Garlic 34.60
King Oyster 54.17 Japanese Seaweed 2.34
Buna Shimeji 43.26 Parsnip 2.23
Shiitake 35.35 Kiwi fruit 1.99
Enoki 34.64 Onion 1.13
Willow 29.68 Persimmon 1.52
Abalone 32.47 Pomegranate 1.3
White Shimeji 19.75 Passion fruit 1.22
Portobello 19.09 Durian 1.09
White button 15.44 Broccoli 0.38
Brown button 10.41 Kale 0.22
Black fungus 9.42 Tomato 0.20
Maitake 2.02 Ginger 0.17
Wood ear 0.64 Rice LOQ
White fungus 0.58
Nuts, beans and spices Ergothioneine (mg per kg dry weight) Milk and soy products Ergothioneine (mg per kg dry weight)
Basil leaf 4.92 Tempeh 201.13
Brazilian nut 4.45 Soy beancurd 3.71
Gingko nut 3.98 Soy milk 2.31
Cumin 2.60 Fresh milk (average of 4 varieties) 0.25
Pepper 2.57 Greek yogurt LOQ
Kidney beans 2.09
Pistachio nut 1.90 *Asparagus varieties
Almond 1.87 Asparagus (Malaysia) 0.57
Oats 1.84 Asparagus (Thailand) 10.24
Macadamia nut 1.65 Asparagus (Mexico) 163.25
Sweet bean 1.33 White asparagus 18.20
Ginseng root 0.69

An “adaptive” antioxidant?

Some studies have presented evidence that ET may be accumulated at sites of tissue injury, in particular in fatty liver disease, liver fibrosis, pressure overloaded and infarcted hearts and pre‐eclampsia. This accumulation seems to relate to an increased expression of the gene encoding OCTN1, resulting in increased transporter activity [46-49]. We have suggested [46, 50] that this is a deliberate cytoprotective mechanism (Fig. 2). Arguably in these situations of tissue injury, supplementation of humans with extra ET might be of therapeutic benefit [50, 51]. Animal studies have suggested that ET may play a limited antioxidant role in healthy animals but may come into play when levels of reactive species rise due to tissue injury, in the presence of ROS/RNS‐generating toxins, or diseases that involve increased levels of oxidative damage (reviewed in [22, 50]). This concept is consistent with in vivo studies of the effects of dietary ET supplementation on oxidative damage in young healthy adults [32]; there was a trend to a decrease in oxidative damage, as detected in plasma and urine using several established biomarkers of oxidative damage, but no major decreases. However, this could be argued to be a useful property of ET: not interfering with the important roles of ROS/RNS in healthy tissues [1, 3-5] but coming into play when oxidative damage becomes excessive due to tissue injury, toxin exposure or disease [50] and ET is then accumulated, as summarised in Fig. 2. Some cells where the risk of oxidative stress is high and constant, such as erythrocytes [1], may always keep ET levels high [32, 33, 49, 52]. image

Figure 2
Tissue injury increases ROS /RNS production in vivo , which can then contribute to further injury. In certain diseases or conditions, tissues may increase expression of OCTN 1, leading to increased ET levels in the affected tissue. This may be a deliberate response to protect tissue by decreasing further oxidative damage [50] . +ve, increased; −ve, decreased.

Ergothioneine in tissues, extracellular fluids and cell culture

Ergothioneine can accumulate to high levels in some human and animal tissues, including red blood cells (with basal levels of ~ 125 μm and ~ 220 μm in human and mouse whole blood, respectively, and millimolar levels reported in red blood cells [52, 53]), liver and spleen (with basal levels of ~ 350 μmol·g−1 tissue and ~ 100 μmol·g−1 tissue in mouse liver and spleen, respectively) [22, 31-33]. Our recent study [33] demonstrated that when ET is orally administered to mice, it accumulates rapidly in the liver and blood cells but also enters most (or perhaps all) other tissues, including brain, heart, lung, kidney, spleen and eye. Since animal sera are commonly used in cell culture media, ET is even present in cell cultures. The variable ET levels in different batches and sources of sera may be a possible confounder in cell culture studies [50], given the propensity of cell culture to cause oxidative stress [20, 54, 55].

When ET is administered to humans, ET levels in plasma and whole blood are significantly elevated and, interestingly, continued to increase in whole blood for up to 4 weeks after administration ceased [32]. Moreover, excreted levels (in urine) were extremely low, indicating the avid retention of ET by the body [32]. We (paper in preparation) have found ET to be present in a range of other human extracellular fluids and secretions such as cerebrospinal fluid (with levels around 250 nm ) and aqueous humour of the eye (with levels in the high μm range). Animal seminal fluids are reported to contain especially high levels of ET, with early studies showing that ET levels in boar seminal plasma were around six times greater than blood ET levels, and in some animals, ET is the predominant thiol/thione in seminal plasma, far exceeding levels of GSH [56-58]. Data on humans are awaited with interest.

Ergothioneine and the mother–baby axis

As a further illustration of the widespread distribution of ET and possibly the essentiality of this compound to humans (as suggested by the presence of a transporter that appears largely specific for ET [30]), we have recently identified the presence of ET in human breast milk (with ET concentrations ranging from 5 to 150 nm ; paper in preparation). ET can also be found in cow and goat's milk (with mean concentrations ~ 13 nm and ~ 9 nm , respectively) and a range of infant formulas (with a mean concentration ~ 9 nm ). The latter is not unexpected, since baby formulas are typically based on milk powders. Indeed, the urine and brains of newborn babies have been reported to contain ET [59, 60]. This implies that ET can cross the placenta into the baby (presumably via OCTN1, which is known to be present in placenta [61, 62]) and/or that ET is absorbed from breast milk through OCTN1 in the intestines of the baby. Additionally, ET has been detected in amniotic fluid, in sheep [63]. Studies revealed that the OCTN1 mRNA expression levels in cultured human mammary epithelial cells are elevated more than sixfold during lactation, relative to nonlactating mammary epithelial cells [64]. If this happens in the intact breast, it suggests that this is a mechanism to deliver ET to the baby, from which it would follow that ET is important to the baby. However, more work is needed to establish this in vivo .

Ergothioneine as a potential treatment for diseases

Several studies have identified decreased levels of ET in certain tissues relative to controls, in subjects with various diseases (reviewed in [22, 50], also see the sections below). This suggests potential interventions with administered ET to raise the levels as both a therapeutic and possibly a preventative agent. Studies in animals and humans have found no toxicity or adverse effects to be associated with ET administration, even at high doses, and recently, ET (Tetrahedron, Paris, France) has attained European Food Safety Authority approval in the European Union and is generally recognised as safe by the Food and Drug Administration in the US (GRAS notice 734) [65] as a supplement. Hence, the possible beneficial effects of supplementation with ET to correct these low levels are worth further investigation.

Neurodegenerative diseases

A range of in vitro and in vivo studies have demonstrated the neuroprotective capabilities of ET. Supplementation with ET dose‐dependently protected rat phaeochromocytoma cells against β‐amyloid (Aβ)‐induced apoptotic death [66] and decreased neuronal injury caused by direct injection of Aβ into the hippocampus of mice [67]. Our own studies (paper in preparation) have demonstrated that ET can dose‐dependently extend lifespan of a transgenic Caenorhabditis elegans model of Alzheimer disease [68], through reduction in Aβ‐oligomer load. Other in vivo studies have also demonstrated that ET attenuates oxidative stress and prevents cognitive deficits in a D‐galactose‐induced mouse model of dementia [69], protects against N ‐methyl‐D‐aspartate‐induced cytotoxicity in rat retinal neurons [70] and cisplatin‐induced neuronal damage in mice [71].

In humans, plasma ET levels were found to be significantly decreased in subjects with mild cognitive impairment [72] and Parkinson disease [73] when compared to age‐matched controls. This could happen by multiple mechanisms of course, such as changes in diet and/or OCTN1 transporter activity. Dietary ET does cross the blood–brain barrier, since it can be measured in human cerebrospinal fluid and postmortem brain samples (our unpublished data; also see [59]) and readily enters the brain when administered to mice [33]. A Japanese study [74] has found a correlation between increased intake of mushrooms (one of the most important dietary sources of ET [27-29]; Table 1) and lower incidence of dementia. However, mushrooms are known to contain a wide range of possibly bioactive compounds that could account for this observation. Hence, direct studies (placebo‐controlled, double‐blinded intervention trials) are needed to investigate whether ET administration will have beneficial effects in neurodegenerative disorders.

Eye disorders

Early studies demonstrated that substantial levels of ET are found in the eye [75], where it was suggested to protect against chronic exposure to ROS due to high oxygen tension (the cornea is exposed to 21% oxygen), UV exposure and high metabolic activity [76]. The ocular surface, consisting of a layer of tear fluid, the cornea and the aqueous humour, forms the first line of defence against oxidative damage [1, 77]. We recently identified significant levels of ET in human tear and aqueous humour samples (~ 0.35 μm and ~ 28 μm , respectively; paper in preparation), and we have demonstrated that ET readily accumulates within the eye when mice are fed with ET [33]. It is, therefore, of interest that some earlier studies revealed that significantly lower levels of ET in the lens and cornea are found in individuals with cataracts; the levels continued to decrease with increasing severity of the cataract formation [78, 79]. Another study found that treatment with ET afforded modest protection against glucocorticoid‐induced cataract formation in chicks [80]. No further studies have since been undertaken to follow up on this. However, if ET levels in tear fluids correlate with levels in the lens and aqueous humour, this could provide a noninvasive means of measuring eye ET levels and thereby establish the risk of developing eye disorders. Since the pathology of the major eye diseases involves oxidative damage [1, 77, 81], the possible protective effects of ET seem to be worthy of further investigation in various human ocular diseases.

Cardiovascular diseases

Myocardial ischaemia–reperfusion injuries are known to generate, and be exacerbated by, excessive formation of ROS/RNS, leading to oxidative myocyte damage [1, 82, 83]. This suggests potential benefits of antioxidants as cardioprotectants [1, 82, 83]. Early studies by Arduini et al . [84] suggested that one of the mechanisms by which ET might protect the heart is by countering the oxidation of myoglobin by ROS/RNS to the cytotoxic ferryl myoglobin, which can be a critical event in myocyte damage during cardiac ischaemia–reperfusion. The ability of ET to scavenge ROS/RNS and chelate transition metal ions may also be relevant [1, 82, 83]. Since administered ET readily accumulates in the blood [32] and enters the heart (at least in mice [33]), it could be useful therapeutically.

Ischaemia–reperfusion injury is not a phenomenon confined to the heart; it can occur in almost all organs including brain, liver, skin, gut, muscle and kidney [1, 82]. Indeed, animal studies have shown that ET supplementation can protect several tissues, including liver [85], intestine [86] and lung (following intestinal ischaemia–reperfusion [87]), from ischaemia–reperfusion injury. Conversely, removing ET by knocking out the gene encoding the transporter in mice appears to predispose them to more injury following ischaemia–reperfusion injury [44]. Hence, ET could conceivably have therapeutic potential in these various ischaemic injuries.



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This is a large excerpt. Ergothioneine is used by mitochondria through a special ionic pathway conserved in nearly all of our cells. Unfortunately, mushrooms are the most common way we get it and we can’t make it ourselves. For that matter, only some mushrooms can “make” it—the rest suck up what is in the growing substrate, which would normally be decaying trees, rather than straw.

There is a table showing Porcini mushrooms as the highest in ET, with King Oyster and others falling behind quite a bit, but still better than eating 2.2 pounds of garlic!

Our bodies additionally have a way to regenerate the ET molecule for as long as a month.

This must be an important nutritional component when these built-in mechanisms only work for the ET molecule. Perhaps this is a reason for the disparity among many with health-related conditions.

1 posted on 06/07/2020 7:31:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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Huh?


2 posted on 06/07/2020 7:35:10 PM PDT by old-ager (anti-new-ager)
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To: Fungi

Ping


3 posted on 06/07/2020 7:41:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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So mushrooms on pizza and with steak is good as long was we don’t go the way of Clint Eastwood in the movie The Beguilde?


4 posted on 06/07/2020 7:45:15 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure)
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To: ConservativeMind

When I was about 14 or 15 we had a friend who was an old Swiss Italian that came to Thanksgiving dinner. We lived up on a hill and he was afraid to drive up there so I walked down to the bottom and drove his pickup up to the house. On the way he started hollering stop, stop. I thought I did something to his pickup. He was hard to understand but he kept saying boleta, boleta. He got out and picked this huge mushroom. That is one of the few mushrooms I can identify.


5 posted on 06/07/2020 8:04:56 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised but It Will Be Livestreamed)
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To: ConservativeMind; little jeremiah

Bttt

FYI


6 posted on 06/07/2020 8:09:33 PM PDT by thinden
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To: ConservativeMind; little jeremiah; BenLurkin

Thanks!

More Shitaki and a side of Tempeh! (Porcini is a bit pricey around here!)

Does it reside in the wall of the Mitochondria, or the Matrix?

The nifty thing is that looks like it does not excrete and prompts our body to conserve it once we take it in.


7 posted on 06/07/2020 8:36:45 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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BKMRK for later.


8 posted on 06/07/2020 11:39:14 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Sick and tired of the WuHu Flu Blues.)
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To: ConservativeMind

where do you buy your Boletus edulis (cepes)


9 posted on 09/20/2020 2:18:44 PM PDT by ckilmer
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Porcini is the best tasting mushroom evah! But you can only find dried. Would it still contain the ingredient?

Also, please note: when they say it is is cow’s milk, probably only in raw. Which is so much better anyway.


10 posted on 09/20/2020 2:23:07 PM PDT by Yaelle
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It will be found dried in large supermarkets or Whole Foods. It will probably be called porcini. Probably found hanging with other dried mushrooms and herbs in the produce area.


11 posted on 09/20/2020 2:28:37 PM PDT by Yaelle
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What Yaelle said is how we get it, and, yes, it’s called “Porcini.” It is dried and packaged at Whole Foods and other stores. We’ve seen and gotten it at a place called “Central Market” when visiting in Texas. Sprouts may have it. Amazon surely does. At stores, it does occasionally go on sale, because it was on sale when we bought it a Central Market. I haven’t seen it on sale at Whole Foods, yet.

We keep trying to find it fresh, but haven’t, yet.

Now, what got two FReepers today to stumble across a thread I posted months ago? :-)


12 posted on 09/20/2020 4:02:18 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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you set up a second post on the matter. from that I saved a couple of links including this one that you sent me.
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3853199/posts

That’s where I noticed that Boletus edulis (cepes) has the highest amount of Ergothioneine

Now I’m just getting around to acting on the information.
Two details:
1.)
the list you provided does not include porcini mushrooms by name. Is Boletus edulis (cepes) a kind of porcini mushroom?
2.)have you noticed any beneficial effect?


13 posted on 09/20/2020 6:15:21 PM PDT by ckilmer
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We have taken to having multiple types of mushrooms each week. This past week we’ve eaten shiitake, king oyster, and baby bella. Our diet has had mushrooms weekly for going on two years now.

At first, we felt a bit more energetic and slightly more clear-minded. Together these probably translate into “positivity.” Our health seemed slightly improved.

It feels like we’ve maintained or only gotten better, since, but I can’t point to only mushrooms for that. We try a lot of supplements and continually tweak from new information.

Honestly, I encourage everyone to eat whatever mushrooms they can afford, and preferably those with the better ergo numbers for the money.

It’s hard to keep any antioxidant in mitochondria for any length of time. This is the only one that stays a while. This is the most unique benefit of mushrooms.

Do understand mushrooms are also a rather unique source for glutathione, another key cellular antioxidant.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171109100409.htm

For the small number of calories, as well, mushrooms are a wonderful buy.

14 posted on 09/20/2020 9:29:50 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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I daily drink a chaga lions mane tea. sometimes I’ll throw in reisi. A couple times a week I’ll eat white button, baby bella or shiitake mushrooms. I take supplements that include maitake, cordyceps and turkey tail.

I think the regime improves my spirits.

this is the first I’ve heard of porcini.

I’m always intrigued and interested in your health related posts.

did you stick with the fisetin routine?


15 posted on 09/21/2020 12:08:45 PM PDT by ckilmer
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Actually, I did an entire bottle in three days, but now expect to do that every other month or two. Instead, I’ve been focusing on iodine’s possible impacts on prostate, breast and other inflamed or cancerous cells.

Lugol’s is not the best approach, nor Iodoral. Strangely, the elemental iodine, as in kelp, is the form least likely to cause thyroid issues. Forms with potassium center their absorption in the thyroid and appear to be the primary trigger for thyroid autoimmunity issues. To prevent those, having fortified with selenium and daily zinc and antioxidants will both prevent reactions and tamp them down if you are already showing autoimmune thyroid antibodies.

The safest form of kelp appears to be Swanson’s Kelp (elemental iodine/fewest contaminants/best price fromConsumerLab.com), which is a kelp extract (save for a little powder they throw in). The upper tolerable dose is 1,100 micrograms a day, but I’ve incremented myself beyond that to closer to 3,000 micrograms a day using those kelp tablets and about 1,500 micrograms equivalent from Iodoral.

All sorts of research out there, but I don’t normally encourage people to do stuff beyond where it is safe, although I’ve done some stuff with multiple grams of grape seed extract with positive outcomes.

16 posted on 09/21/2020 1:04:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Cogito_ergo_thioneine?


17 posted on 09/21/2020 1:07:35 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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I would suggest to ingest the mushrooms rather than leave anything behind.

I am not aware of ergo being leeched out of mushrooms, for instance. We have powdered forms of the mushrooms you mention, but we blend them into a glass of low sodium V-8 juice.


18 posted on 09/21/2020 1:12:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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is it your opinion that iodine/kelp will shrink the prostate when used at the high doses you suggest?


19 posted on 09/22/2020 10:13:52 AM PDT by ckilmer
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Yes, it is apparently able to help prostate cells enter into apoptosis due to special iodine receptors that don’t appear to normally get enough free iodine to do their work.

It seems the sheer density and design of prostate cells renders a number of potentially beneficial substances incapable of getting in there to help.

20 posted on 09/22/2020 10:34:00 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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