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Corona Virus Daily Thread #48 COVID-19 4/25/2020
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Posted on 04/25/2020 4:04:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon

New Thrtead, starting 4/25/2020


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Reference; Science
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; covid19; epidemic; pandemic
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To: In_Iowa_not_from

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11519891/swedens-top-coronavirus-expert-admits-major-mistakes-death-toll-pubs-right-move/


601 posted on 04/30/2020 10:33:49 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: In_Iowa_not_from

The idea that it’s a free for all in Sweden is just one bit of ‘fake news’ that’s being pushed.

Sweden’s goal in all this is a dramatic lowering of pension payments and healthcare costs for their elderly population.

In that regard, it’s a stunning success.

Probably the goal here as well...you knew they’d do *something* to ‘save’ social security, right?


602 posted on 04/30/2020 10:34:33 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: All

“‘It’s safe to go back to work’ — Dow CEO sees its strict plant screenings as ‘best practices”

- see https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/dow-ceo-jim-fitterling-sees-its-strict-screenings-as-best-practices.html


603 posted on 04/30/2020 10:54:33 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Dark Wing

ping


604 posted on 04/30/2020 11:00:48 AM PDT by Thud
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To: justa-hairyape

I guess it depends on the time of day.

Most of the day, there is an ocean breeze, because the land heats up faster than the water, the air over the land rises, and cooler air comes in from the ocean.

So if you’re sitting close to the water at the middle of the day, you’re fine. You’re not getting anyone else’s corona blown onto you. If there are people between you and the water, that doesn’t apply.

If there’s a land breeze you’re probably in trouble wherever you sit.


605 posted on 04/30/2020 11:11:05 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: RummyChick

medcram doing a webinar today at 4 pm est


606 posted on 04/30/2020 11:15:42 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: DEPcom

Looks like today’s social media popular trend is Overcount as in New York overcounting the deaths.


607 posted on 04/30/2020 11:21:08 AM PDT by DEPcom
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To: RummyChick

for you scientists..this was written a few weeks ago. seen in comments on youtube. note the comment about arthritis:

Bologna - From social media comes good news about the Coronavirus, perhaps a solution, which has scientific foundations and is spread by an authoritative doctor from Rizzoli of Bologna, Sandro Giannini. His is a highly qualified curriculum: Full Professor of Orthopedics and Traumatology and of Physical Medicine at the University of Bologna since 1989, director of Clinic I at the Rizzoli Orthopedic Institute and of the Gait Analysis Laboratory, partner in European projects and in national and international research programs, author of more than 600 presentations at national and international conferences and more than 400 articles in Science Citation Index journals. His message gives great hope. Let’s read:

“I don’t want to seem overwhelming to you, but I think I’ve demonstrated the cause of coronavirus lethality. Only at Blessed Matthew are there 2 cardiologists who turn over 150 beds to do echocardium with enormous effort and one is me. Terrible fatigue! However, of what some supposed, but could not be sure, we now have the first data. People go to resuscitation for generalized venous thromboembolism, especially pulmonary. If this were the case, resuscitations and intubations are of no use because first of all you have to dissolve, indeed prevent these thromboembolisms. If you ventilate a lung where blood does not reach, it is not needed! In fact 9 out of 10 die. Because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory! It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia that determines fatality!

And why are thrombi formed? Because inflammation, as per school text, induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism. Then? Contrary to what scientific literature, especially Chinese, said until mid-March, it was that anti-inflammatories should not be used. Now in Italy anti-inflammatories and antibiotics are used (as in the influences) and the number of inpatients collapses. Many deaths, even 40 years old, had a history of high fever for 10-15 days that was not treated properly. Here the inflammation destroyed everything and prepared the ground for the formation of thrombi. Because the main problem is not the virus, but the immune reaction that destroys the cells where the virus enters. In fact, our COVID departments have never entered patients with rheumatoid arthritis! Because they make cortisone, a powerful anti-inflammatory!

Therefore, hospitalizations in Italy are decreasing and it is becoming a disease that is treated at home. By taking care of it well at home, you avoid not only hospitalization, but also the thrombotic risk. It was not easy to understand it because the signs of microembolism have faded, even at the echocardium. But this weekend I compared the data of the first 50 patients between those who breathe badly and those who don’t and the situation appeared very clear. For me you can go back to playing and reopen the business. Quarantine street. Not now. But time to publish this data. Vaccine can arrive calmly. In America and other states that follow the scientific literature calling for NOT to use anti-inflammatories, it’s a disaster! Worse than in Italy. And they are old and cheap drugs. “


608 posted on 04/30/2020 11:29:18 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: RummyChick

this is an interesting comment from youtube

whatwhyandwhos
11 hours ago (edited)
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HYDROGEN GAS THERAPY you breath it ......... please look into it .........there are some scientific reviews done over past 12 years ....................NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT BARELY. It fixes oxidative stress by attaching to the O H (oxidative stress) and turns it to water H2O it slips into the cell wall better than C because it is smaller. I AM SO FRUSTRATED THAT I CAN’T GET PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION. It is breathed as an inert gas with Oxygen (70 /30). I was so sick with oxidative stress I could barely get oxygen and felt like i was dying cell by cell IT FIXED IT ALL on my sons lives. Can doctors be so dumb .....it is so simple. I love your vids they are amazing, sorry to be insulting .


609 posted on 04/30/2020 11:32:36 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: RummyChick

aliciadear
13 hours ago
With this understanding of clotting, what implication does this have in regards to blood type? If O blood type is slower to clot, would that imply that they are less likely to suffer from these complications?


610 posted on 04/30/2020 11:34:04 AM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: RummyChick

I couldn’t take the flubros anymore so took a break from FR. Sneaking back in to say our rural TX county’s cases doubled last week and we have a couple more this week. Right on track for the Easter cases.

What’s this about getting your hair color back? Tell me more.


611 posted on 04/30/2020 11:52:01 AM PDT by bgill (Idiots. CDC site doesn't recommend wearing a mask to protect from COVID-19)
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To: bgill

I am not sure you can get the color back but I am taking small dose of copper with my zinc.

I only take this for about 5 days after I go out in the world

https://www.thorne.com/products/dp/copper-bisglycinate

A liver can get really jacked up with various supplements so I am doing stuff for 5 days or if I have symptoms since my neighbor has Wuhan flu.

we will see if the copper stops the white eyebrows and gray hair.

Noticed a lot more of it since Wuhan showed up and I started taking zinc..but could be stress.

My dog is out of sorts because when I used to come home she would root through bags trying to find goodies when I put them on the floor..now I have to say NO..you could get WUHAN and have to put the bags up on the shelf

I think I will do a pretend shop to make her happy to let her stick her head in grocery bags


612 posted on 04/30/2020 12:10:09 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: bgill

“I couldn’t take the flubros anymore so took a break from FR. “

I have determine it is crazy over in the flubro world.

Just lay low and remain heathy...


613 posted on 04/30/2020 12:11:34 PM PDT by DEPcom
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To: RummyChick
btw, here is what Thorne says about Copper Copper is a trace mineral that is essential for bone health, connective tissue health, cardiovascular health, lipid metabolism, neurological health, and skin health.* It's also a component of the antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase. Because copper and zinc compete with each other for absorption, an individual taking a high amount of zinc (for example, 50 mg daily for an extended time period) can develop a copper deficiency. A copper deficiency can render many cell types, including fat cells and blood cells, more susceptible to oxidation.* For this reason, zinc supplementation should be accompanied by copper supplementation.* In a clinical setting, copper supplementation protected red blood cells from oxidation.* Thorne's Copper Bisglycinate provides an optimally absorbed form of copper.*
614 posted on 04/30/2020 12:14:03 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: All

Here’s the latest numbers from earlier today (Thursday) from Minnesota...

Per the Minnesota Department of Health, they are reporting 5136 positive tests for COVID-19, an increase of 492 cases from yesterday (Wednesday).

24 new deaths (an increase of 6 from Wednesday’s new deaths) were reported, raising the statewide total to 343.

2172 individuals with positive tests are no longer isolating, an increase of 129 from yesterday (Wednesday).

Between the Department of Health and private labs, a total of 70276 tests have been conducted, an increase of 3982 tests since yesterday (Wednesday).

Currently 365 patients are hospitalized for COVID-19, an increase of 45 from yesterday (Tuesday). 130 patients are in ICU, an increase of 11 from yesterday (Wednesday).

The median age of all reported cases is 49. The median age of all hospitalized cases is 63. The median age of all deaths is 83.

The age group of all reported positive cases is as follows:

0-5 yrs - 1%
6-19 yrs - 3%
20-29 yrs - 14%
30-39 yrs - 17%
40-49 yrs - 15%
50-59 yrs - 16%
60-69 yrs - 12%
70+ yrs - 21%

Of all cases, 48% are female and 50% are male.

By ethnicity, whites comprise 44% of all cases and 66% of all deaths. Blacks comprise 14% of all cases and 5% of all deaths. Hispanics comprise 14% of all cases and 2% of all deaths. Asians comprise 4% of all cases and 1% of all deaths. American Indians comprise 1% of all cases and 2% of all deaths.

For more interesting charts and maps, go here:

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html


615 posted on 04/30/2020 12:17:29 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

What the h#*% is this BS from the ODNI?

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/us-intelligence-community-covid-19-not-man-made-or-genetically-modified#.Xqsge9KFav0.twitter

Does Grenell not have a handle on his interim department? Doesn’t seem like he’d intentionally put out such baloney, though of course the spooks would want this position to head investigators off at the pass to their likely direct involvement, with China, in this engineered bioweapon.


616 posted on 04/30/2020 12:23:51 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RummyChick
It is breathed as an inert gas with Oxygen (70 /30).

Hydrogen/Oxygen isn't inert, especially at 70/30. It is reactive, and probably takes significant additional precautions against static discharge and other spark/flame sources. I have no idea what portion of ventilators are hydrogen safe, or ICU's for that matter. I know in the military, we take pretty extensive precautions when entering spaces with explosive gas mixtures...

617 posted on 04/30/2020 12:26:22 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: ETCM

here is anectodotal evidence for early start of trump’s drug from texags

ReveilleIn reply to Marcus Aurelius • 9:33p, 4/29/20AG
Marcus Aurelius said:
Rev any anecdotes on day 1-2 HCQ treatment for COVID-19? Getting this ? a lot. I’m not seeing these folks that early.Yes i have had quite a few. Most impressive being a 91 year old with diarrhea for a day than spiked a 103.1 fever with cough and some mild shortness of breath the next day. Daughter did not want to go to hospital because she was afraid they would never see him again, since they don’t allow visitors in hospital. He lives with daughter and we all three discussed it. He has history of A-fib so instead of Zithromax we used doxycycline. (I have done this twice him and a lady with a history of prolonged QT who I called the cardiologist for. He said not to worry just don’t use zithromax it is more dangerous than the HCQ. So i substitute doxy) This guy really kind of scared me though being at home at 91 and I didn’t have a pulse ox or reliable vitals since this was a televisit.

I gave strong warnings to ER if fever increases, palpitations, tachycardia, chest pain or increasing shortness of breath. Daughter and him really wanted to try this at home first so we agreed. He started on this around noon that day. I called him and daughter after work about 8 pm he had 102.1 temp still and still generally felt bad but says he thinks he is breathing better. Next day at 9 am i called and he had 100.5 temp but diarrhea and cough were improving some. No shortness of breath at that time. Next morning i called at 9 am daughter said he was afebrile and felling fine. Only symptom was a mild cough. I got him on the phone and he was eating breakfast and told me he feels normal. I said wow that’s really impressive but lets make sure nothing else happens today. I forgot to call that evening but did call the next morning and he said he is fine and cough is almost resolved.

Another is a 52 y/o with diabetes, HTN, hypercholestemia, obesity and history of coronary stent. He came in with 3 days of fever, cough, shortness of breath. He actually presented to my clinic unfortunately. He had a pulse ox of 92%, temp 103.4, BP 146/94, pulse rate 104 and respiration rate of 22. His chest X-ray in the office looked terrible and bilateral peri-hilar infiltrates with a ground glass appearance. He could barely talk in the office and we had use a wheelchair to get him to X-ray. He looked really sick. I told him that clinically he has covid-19. He had that scared look in eyes back at me that all of doctors have seen when like when you tell someone they are having an MI or CVA. He said “I know I do! I have been sick 100 times in my life and never felt anything like this. I feel like I am being hung from the ceiling and beaten with sticks like a pinata.”

He also did not want to go the hospital I told him to go get tested, isolate and we will try the HCQ/zithromax. I called him after work about 9 pm and asked how is doing. He said “I’m still breathing but that’s about it.” Still had fever of around 103 that night. I called in the morning and was breathing better. Pain was better and fever down to 101. That night about 6 pm he was afebrile pains were gone, still coughing and mildly short of breath. But voice on phone now sounded normal. Next day he felt fine but still coughing. He actually never went and got tested. Told me he felt too bad to mess with it, so we ran antibody testing weeks after which was positive.

Few others but those are most impressive as they had risk factors and were clinically pretty sick at the time but responded very rapidly. My feelings are if us in the community jump on this we have a good chance to stop it before it gets severe, I have spoke with a number of primary care doctors and we are similar anecdotal results. I know if I catch it I will be treating it as soon as possible with HCQ/Zithromax.

And FYI I really appreciate all the updates you and the others at the hospital have been giving us. It gives me a lot of insight to how things are going after they get admitted and results you all are getting with treatments in the hospital.
No material on this site is intended to be a substitu


618 posted on 04/30/2020 12:37:46 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: RummyChick

btw, medcram webinar starting in a few minutes
you can get free CME credit

https://www.medcram.com/pages/covid-19-webinar


619 posted on 04/30/2020 12:47:00 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: PA Engineer

if you need CME credit...free webinar for 1.5 credits

https://www.medcram.com/pages/covid-19-webinar


620 posted on 04/30/2020 12:48:53 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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