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Corona Virus Daily Thread #47 COVID-19 4/21/2020
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Posted on 04/21/2020 4:53:48 AM PDT by RaceBannon

new thread, starting 4/21/2020


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: 47thread; coronavirus; covid19; pandemic
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To: RummyChick

French researchers to test nicotine patches on coronavirus patients

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_fb


321 posted on 04/22/2020 2:49:02 PM PDT by Raebie
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To: Raebie

Two cats in New York are first pets known to have coronavirus in the US

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/cats-new-york-coronavirus-trnd/index.html


322 posted on 04/22/2020 2:50:28 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: Black Agnes
After more than fifty years as an environmental health and safety professional in large industrial operations I can assure you that the way most people -- not medical professionals who are trained in the use and care of personal protective equipment (PPE), but "regular folks" -- purchase, apply, wear and maintain these "masks" (scarves are not even worth a mention, much less a serious discussion regarding the use of a scarf as PPE) offers very little protection from a virus although they undoubtedly make the wearer feel safe and feel good about themselves.

The CDC recommends wearing a face mask where the two-yard [anti]-social distancing between your fellow humans cannot be maintained for an extended period (e.g., in a tightly congested area like a bus or a subway train). The following information is derived from OSHA Standard 1910.134 (Respiratory Protection) and OSHA Standard 1910.133 (Eye and Face Protection).

To be effective, a mask must be of the correct design and construction (i.e., a "dust mask" won't do for a virus); the mask must -- must! -- be fit-tested by a professional to ensure an effective seal -- it must be worn without any facial hair present at the mask/skin interface; the mask must be maintained in a sanitary condition and its seal must be maintained intact the entire time it is worn (no touching or adjusting it; no lifting away from the face to scratch your nose); and disposable masks must be discarded after one use and must be replaced (as described above) to avoid a build-up of contaminants that would be discharged directly into the nose and mouth during repeated use. To provide an additional sense of security from the Chinese Virus additional PPE should be considered. Fitted goggles should be worn to prevent the virus from entering through the eyes. Alternatively, a plastic face shield should be worn over the mask and eyes. Consideration may also be given to wearing ear protection (e.g., fitted ear plugs) just in case someone sneaks up on you and sneezes into your ear.

I just got back from a store that looked more like an infirmary in some third-world, fauci-hole country than a supermarket, where I saw a grown man with a full beard wearing a paper mask attached to the surface of his bushy beard with cellophane tape. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he thought he was protected from the Chinese Virus with this get-up and that he was being a "good citizen" by not "killing" other people if he was infected with the Chinese Virus and didn't know it. However, it's very likely that if he sneezed (an event which no doubt would have emptied the store) he would have blown the damn thing right off his face!

My point is, if you think you must wear PPE to protect yourself from the Chinese Virus every time you venture outside you should at least do it the right way. As for me, unless I was in a congested space for an extended period I would not wear a mask as it can cause more harm than serve a useful purpose (and because I think it creates an emotionally-damaging incessant reminder that to go outside without the blessings of your governor is to put your very life at risk). Then again, I realize a lot of people disagree with me about the effectiveness (perhaps "efficacy" is the better term) of wearing a mask, resorting to the trite, throw-away line: "Better safe than sorry". I get it ... I really do.

323 posted on 04/22/2020 3:25:24 PM PDT by glennaro
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324 posted on 04/22/2020 3:40:26 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: glennaro

Well, all those untrained people in the ‘masks’ countries must be doing something right.

And the idea isn’t to keep you from getting it. It’s to keep you from spreading it as much. And lowering the viral load of public spaces.

lower initial viral load can be the difference between living and dying. It’s the difference between NYC and LA. Sitting next to an infected person for 30 minutes to GCS on the metro north is a WAY bigger exposure than brushing past someone in the imported cheese aisle at Trader Joe’s...

Anything you can do to lower your initial viral load and lower the viral load of your surroundings is a win.

We will suffer, as a country, because too many people think being considerate is the same as being a sheep.


325 posted on 04/22/2020 3:44:48 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Thank you for your measured response, BA. I really appreciate both your comments and your understanding. I don't consider wearing a mask akin to being a sheep, I just think that in most instances wearing a mask is unnecessary and breeds fear ... which we have far too much of in America since last month.

Cheers! & be well.

326 posted on 04/22/2020 3:49:52 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: All

“Billionaire Mike Bloomberg will help New York develop coronavirus test and trace program, Gov. Cuomo says”

- see https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/billionaire-mike-bloomberg-will-help-new-york-develop-coronavirus-test-and-trace-program-gov-cuomo-says.html


327 posted on 04/22/2020 3:54:04 PM PDT by Fury
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To: LilFarmer
death rates..what's with the midwest?

328 posted on 04/22/2020 3:58:43 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: RummyChick

Fredo’s son is sick. He doesn’t deserve to be sick because his father is a Fredo who broke quarantine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8246893/Chris-Cuomos-14-year-old-son-coronavirus-wife-Cristina-announces.html


329 posted on 04/22/2020 3:59:46 PM PDT by RummyChick ( Yeah, it's Daily Mail. So what.)
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To: glennaro

No fear.

Being considerate.

It’s considered ‘polite’ behavior in Japan if you have sniffles to wear a mask.

It should be here as well.

Nobody wants your germs.

We are a nation of narcissists who consider ourselves incapable of transmitting diseases.

We will suffer for that.


330 posted on 04/22/2020 3:59:52 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: glennaro

Great post.

I believe that masks, when properly donned / doffed / worn can help train people to not bring their hand to their mouth and nose.

Additionally, it’s about reducing potential risk, as we can’t eliminate risks.

Some countries have people wearing masks for additional reasons other than potential/perceived health benefits. My stepdaughter wears a mask quite a bit in Japan. She explained once that based on her conversation with friends, some of them wear masks to help maintain “privacy”, as there are so many people in some areas of Japan.

I’m probably not explaining it as well as I could. It would be the same reason that booksellers/stores in Japan sell slip covers sized for manga, so that if someone is on the train reading, others cannot see the cover/title of what they are reading. Again, related to privacy. Masks can be a privacy enhancer (well, at least in Japan).


331 posted on 04/22/2020 4:04:46 PM PDT by Fury
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To: RummyChick
death rates..what's with the midwest?

At least in Iowa, wide scale testing and people live spread out. The typical Iowa small town is ~2000 people with a boarded up main street (few small businesses, few restaurants, etc). Buying mail order or from online is the norm. Making a monthly trip to the "city" to stock up at Walmart or Target is the norm. The most frequent local complaint is people can't go to church in a building. But churches are experimenting with online or parking lot services.
332 posted on 04/22/2020 4:09:18 PM PDT by In_Iowa_not_from
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To: DEPcom
I recommend everybody just stock up on food, supplies and savings (money) during the Summer break from the virus.

Already working on that.

The political situation coming this fall concerns me more that corona virus does.

After seeing the government over reach and the unprepared populace panic hoarding, NOW is the time to be getting ready.

333 posted on 04/22/2020 4:15:56 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ETCM

I’m reconsidering anything from China at all.

Not necessarily out of virus concerns but I am done supporting a country that is out to destroy us.


334 posted on 04/22/2020 4:21:57 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Black Agnes; glennaro
>>Well, all those untrained people in the ‘masks’ countries must be doing something right.

#CoronavirusTaskforceChairwomanSheilaJacksonLee

335 posted on 04/22/2020 4:36:34 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The fish wrap media promoted Obama's Benghazi lies in 2012.)
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To: a fool in paradise

You didn’t click the twitter link, did you?

You’d know that WE are NOT one of the ‘masks’ countries.

So not sure what your pic has to do with my original statement?


336 posted on 04/22/2020 4:40:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Queen She-jack is the CHAIRWOMAN of the Coronavirus task-force and an imbecile.

I refuse to be ordered about by idiots in leadership who are unable to complete the “simple” tasks they demand of private citizens.


337 posted on 04/22/2020 4:50:55 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The fish wrap media promoted Obama's Benghazi lies in 2012.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Does anyone order you to bathe and comb your hair before you go to Church?

Why do you do that?

Is it to be polite and considerate of your fellow church members?

Just because some homeless person hasn’t bathed in a month are you going to do the same because ‘nobody can make me bathe if I don’t want to’?

It’s called being considerate of your fellow humans.

maybe you think YOUR germs aren’t contagious?

‘Hey, that OTHER person is spreading germs! I’m gonna spread mine too, you can’t tell me what to do!!!’.

narcs will narc.


338 posted on 04/22/2020 4:54:32 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Maybe I’ve already had it and can’t spread it.

Quit being a bully. Sit at home and mope until next March.


339 posted on 04/22/2020 4:56:01 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The fish wrap media promoted Obama's Benghazi lies in 2012.)
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To: a fool in paradise

nobody is being a bully.

Are you bullied to bathe and comb your hair?

Why do you do these things?

Do you cover your mouth when you sneeze? Are you bulled if we expect you to take that simple consideration for the rest of humanity?

I bet you don’t wash your hands after you go to the restroom either, do you?


340 posted on 04/22/2020 5:00:41 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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