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Corona virus daily thread #35

Posted on 04/02/2020 9:56:02 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: PA Engineer; grey_whiskers

so do you take Pantethine as a prophylactic then? What does?


521 posted on 04/02/2020 8:08:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: dfwgator

The other option is he might die from it. Dunno. Wish him well.


522 posted on 04/02/2020 8:09:26 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #gin&tonic)
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To: amorphous
One thing follows, inescapably.

China is Asshoe.™

523 posted on 04/02/2020 8:09:37 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: RaceBannon
Race, you forgot one!

China is Asshoe.™

524 posted on 04/02/2020 8:11:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Thud

“You assume that I am relying on publically accessible data.”

No.

But I do know this. If it was classified information...and any information gathered by a US agency of that nature would be classified Top Secret...I would recommend you not speak of it again.

That’s what would be properly called inflammatory, potentially bringing armed conflict.


525 posted on 04/02/2020 8:12:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: datura

Good article.
Everybody is going to be wanting US foods!
(LOL! But they won’t have any money... sigh.)


526 posted on 04/02/2020 8:12:18 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Mariner

And then, there are the mountains of data hidden behind corporate firewalls...

and the scientists that discuss those mountains of data amongst themselves privately...


527 posted on 04/02/2020 8:14:22 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Mariner
Oh, now I understand. It doesn't matter what the origin of this virus is. We've now been hit by THREE DANGEROUS VIRUSES IN 20 YEARS WHICH ORIGINATED IN CHINA. I was just showing that China's political environment, not merely its cultural environment, fosters the creation and spread of dangerous diseases to the point where China is now the No. 1 threat on the planet to civilization.

In particular I was showing how nuts, not merely weird, China is by our standards. To understand the degree of the threat China poses to the rest of the world, I explained the hideously dangerous nature of these unofficial biowar labs. At no time did I say that CV19 originated there. I have repeatedly said that we'll likely never know if it did, or in any official Chinese biowar or medical research lab.

And by we, I mean the public, not the US government or any of its intelligence agencies. I explained back in 2001, on the Freep, how no American acting by himself could have developed the anthrax used on us after 9/11, how the FBI was lying and being misleading, and why I thought it originated in Iraq as a laboratory one-off which was found not to be useable as a military weapon. And then handed off to Mohamed Atta for terrorist use.

In terms of my personal credibility, you should look at all my posts on the Freep.

528 posted on 04/02/2020 8:16:10 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Steve Van Doorn

“To be clear the death rate is NOT available yet. Though with modals that show it’s between 0.2% to 1.3% of those infected. The common flu is about 0.1% of those infected.”

The 0.2% to 1.3% is based on very biased estimates of cases that fail to account for the statistics we do have. I believe it largely comes from people that are claiming that anybody with underlying conditions should not be counted as a CCP-19 death (even though that’s not how it works for ANY other cause of death).

The best outcome for a large scale infection anywhere in the world so far is about 2% deaths of infected. The worst case that we know of is 12% where a first-world HCS collapsed.

That first number is pretty reliable. The second has a lot of error in it, both ways. Undercounting of deaths and undercounting of cases. For that 12% to drop to 2% they would have to find more than half a million new cases in that country and have them all survive. They just are not there.

But I’m not sure why you’re arguing that 1.3%, 13 times the flu, is somehow not a big deal.


529 posted on 04/02/2020 8:16:54 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: mrsmith

https://brownfieldagnews.com/news/dfa-asks-selected-farmers-to-dump-milk-because-of-covid-19/
Report of milk dumping. Seems unnecessary at this time.
Can’t vouch for the source.


530 posted on 04/02/2020 8:17:48 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Black Agnes; Thud

I get it.
There’s an enormous amount of both data and information in large international corporations. I’ve done international business for some of the biggest, high profile tech companies with manufacturing and research through Asia.

Just be aware there is a very large political and national security dynamic in place. Hell, it could be existential.

That’s all I have to say.


531 posted on 04/02/2020 8:22:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jane Long

Austin is turning luxury hotels into places to house the homeless, I guess for quarantine. I heard them mention the Crowne Plaza hotel today on the news.


532 posted on 04/02/2020 8:22:26 PM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: mrsmith

Thank you


533 posted on 04/02/2020 8:23:48 PM PDT by datura
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To: Steve Van Doorn

“If you use death rates per confirmed cases it’s LESS then the common flu.”

THIS is the most common example of that conflation of numbers I posted to you about.

See my other posts for why this is more urgent.

You know, aside from the fact that it is 20 times as lethal.

The math has been done probably dozens of times on these threads and if you go back and read them you will find it. But here goes - 2% CFR for CCP-19 best results anywhere in the world. 0.1% CFR for the flu on average.


534 posted on 04/02/2020 8:23:51 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: Jane Long

as it stands, about 10 days. Retooling client is moving a bungalow-sized robot from one plant to another; he’s connecting the electrical array on that one. Then to another plant to install safety curtains (two months backorder from China now here) on another robot and set the lazers. Then back home. To barn-office quarantine. So our hug this morning was the last one for 24 days. :(

Just left Dallas. Says more deadheading pilots on flight to Nashville, two from SoCal first leg, rest new. We’d hoped he’d be alone in first class since nobody else showed on the manifest but no such luck. I hope all those pilots are healthy!


535 posted on 04/02/2020 8:25:55 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Thud

I’m sorry you see this as an issue of personal credibility. It was certainly not my intent to convey that.

Everyone knows the cultural and political cesspit that is China.

It was the assertion that there are multiple biowar labs in China outside the control of the central government. And their plans to use it against their fellows. And the assertion this virus originated in one of them.

Those are the points I was diving in to.


536 posted on 04/02/2020 8:26:56 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: calenel

537 posted on 04/02/2020 8:27:00 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Nice swan road sine.


538 posted on 04/02/2020 8:29:56 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #gin&tonic)
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To: DEPcom

“Second wave hitting China already... Official not rumor anymore. I guess I do not under the term seasonal when it comes to virus, maybe Coronavirus does not understand the term seasonal.”

People refer to the flu and to colds (less so) as seasonal, but they really just migrate north/south as the weather changes. Because the common cold is more warm-weather durable than the common flu, it appears to be less seasonal. Or it has a broader range, if you want to think of it that way. We don’t know what the range of CCP-19 is yet.


539 posted on 04/02/2020 8:31:32 PM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: Mariner; mrsmith; LilFarmer; RetiredScientist; ReaganGeneration2; miserare; Badboo; Jane Long; ...
I have a correction on estimated number of deaths by 15 April. I neglected to bring the date forward to today's date.

After re-projecting the numbers from today, projected number of deaths on 15 April are 37k, instead of 50k, if the ND/TD rate stays the same.

Naturally I believe/hope the ND/TD rate continues to fall quite a lot, right up to 15 April. Quarantines fully in place, HCQ success, and other measures taken - mandatory masks perhaps - should really make a difference.

A falling ND/TD rate has a huge effect on the final 15 April number - the day some predict peak infection will occur.

540 posted on 04/02/2020 8:32:13 PM PDT by amorphous
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