Italy records lowest coronavirus death toll for a week

The Guardian ^ | April 1, 2020 | Jon Hanley

[NorseViking]

Italy has extended its lockdown until 13 April but recorded its lowest death toll in more than a week, reinforcing indications that the coronavirus epidemic both there and in Spain may be reaching a plateau.

“Experts say we are on the right track and the drastic measures we have taken are starting to yield results,” said the health minister, Roberto Speranza. He warned, though, that it would be “unforgivable to assume this was a definitive defeat” of Covid-19 and it would be “a long battle”.

[NorseViking]

[SmokingJoe]

Yet Belarus had no lockdowns at all, didn't ruin their economy and still have vastly less coronavirus cases in total and in percentage terms than Italy with ZERO deaths. If only Italy had stopped being politically correct and stopped them flights from Wuhan when the infections started

Belarus’ pesident dismisses coronavirus risk, encourages citizens to drink vodka and visit saunas

In Belarus — a country that borders Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Russia and Ukraine — 152 people have contracted COVID-19 infections, with no deaths.
In remarks to U.K newspaper The Times, Lukashenko encouraged citizens to drink vodka (unless working) and visit the sauna at least twice a week to stay healthy.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-belarus-urges-citizens-to-drink-vodka-visit-saunas.html

[NorseViking]

Well, Ukraine said it has no coronavirus at all although records enormous number of deaths from ‘flu’ in Western provinces.

[SmokingJoe]

Which has nothing to do with Belarus, a totally different country. Not to mention the figures for both Ukraine and Belarus are at the very least as good as the figures from New York which is governed by a rabidly Trump hating Governor, who hid breathing equipment in some warehouse, then went about screaming that Trump a not sending them breathing equipment.

[FreedomForce]

Interesting. MeCram did a video about hot and cold therapy a couple of days ago. There’s some info about saunas at about 12:15 in the video.

https://youtu.be/EFRwnhfWXxo

[AppyPappy]

Date FatalityRate
3/22/2020 9.26
3/23/2020 9.51
3/24/2020 9.86
3/25/2020 10.09
3/26/2020 10.19
3/27/2020 10.56
3/28/2020 10.84
3/29/2020 11.03
3/30/2020 11.39
3/31/2020 11.75
4/1/2020 11.9

[NorseViking]

Well Russia has just sent tons of advanced ventilators straight to NYC.

[SmokingJoe]

Interesting. Right now, I am really sceptical about the efficacy of quarantines.
let's look at Flushing in Queens for example, where a lot of Chinese live in overcrowded tenements, with their parents, grandparents etc. It turns out, its one of the high concentration areas of coronavirus, in New York, which is no surprise.
When you have all these people copped up in overcrowded houses when some of them have already been infected, of course the older people, grandparents etc (who are more susceptible to infections of all kinds) are going to catch it from the younger people. It's just plan common sense.

[SmokingJoe]

coppped = cooped.

[SmokingJoe]

Russian collusion?
Can we impeach Cuomo? :)

[Labyrinthos]

Interesting. Right now, I am really sceptical about the efficacy of quarantines. let's look at Flushing in Queens for example, where a lot of Chinese live in overcrowded tenements, with their parents, grandparents etc. It turns out, its one of the high concentration areas of coronavirus, in New York, which is no surprise. When you have all these people copped up in overcrowded houses when some of them have already been infected, of course the older people, grandparents etc (who are more susceptible to infections of all kinds) are going to catch it from the younger people. It's just plan common sense.

But even without a quarantine, these people will still return to their overcrowded tenements at the end of the day after working long hours in restaurants, nail salons, and massage parlors. Seems to me that they have a greater risk of contracting and spreading the virus to people they live with without a quarantine than with a quarantine.

[Captain Walker]

That certainly disrupts The Narrative.

(Aren't they supposed to be Terrible People?)

[newfreep]

My business partner is based in Italy’s Tuscany region has been closed for a week but plans to re-open April 13.

[Salvey]

Roberto Speranza

His name is appropriate under the circumstances.

[NorseViking]

I have my son who just came from Como under quarantine right now.

[jerod]

The core problem with the ‘lock down’ strategy is that only works if everyone is single. Everyone is not single. Most people cohabitate in groups. If one individual from a group lock down becomes infected they then infect the rest of the group, causing multiple infections. Then others from the group typically will do the same in other groups. Most health-care workers for instance live with their families and end up infecting them because their families are locked down and so on and so forth Lock downs do not work and Italy and Spain are the best examples. The United States and especially New York are about to become another example. Wearing a mask at all times is the only true detriment to this virus and the quicker Americans start doing that the better off they will be.

[NorseViking]

The relations outside groups are more rare than inside. You might infect a very limited number of people inside your group and then if they pract8ce isolation it won’t spread further.

[SmokingJoe]

But even without a quarantine, these people will still return to their overcrowded tenements at the end of the day after working long hours in restaurants, nail salons, and massage parlors.

Yes. But then they will spend far fewer hours cooped together per day. And the grandparents are out at the Flushing Meadows park with the grandchildren, getting exercise and fresh air which all helps with their overall health and resistance to diseases.
I lived in Flushing for 5 years by the way. I have quite a few Chinese friends.

Seems to me that they have a greater risk of contracting and spreading the virus to people they live with without a quarantine than with a quarantine.

No. On the one hand, you are cooped together in overcrowded tenements 24 hours a day, breathing the same air with coronaivirus infected younger folks. On the other side, you are out in the wide open spaces of Flushing meadows Park getting in lots of exercises and fresh air during the day. Not even close.

[SmokingJoe]

The core problem with the ‘lock down’ strategy is that only works if everyone is single. Everyone is not single.

Especially in the overcrowded tenements that the immigrant communities live in in New York. They are breeding grounds for any air borne diseases, not just coronavirus.

[TangledUpInBlue]

Certo!