Why do you stubbornly insist that they are FALSE??

"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."

(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)

Reinforced here......

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."

Don't criticize?

Dallin H. Oaks, Mormon Apostle

And here:

Temple Recommend Questions:

1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said WHATEVER but that's NOT the same as criticizing!

( Remember fellow Christians: the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )

Did you know that Emperor Theodosius made the Nicene Creed’s final triumph by forcing belief upon threat of execution through the ‘Eddict of Thesalonica’ in 380 AD?

HMMMmmm…

Interesting...

When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race?
If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain,
the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

Anyone care to explain to me how the non-biblical Triune God managed to forsake himself at the time when he needed himself the most?

Ok; I'll counsel you.

Philippians 2:7 KJV

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

As well as...

Hebrews 4:15 KJV:

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

Do what the controller tells you to do, when he tells you to do it. 👍

LA Control Tower:
Flight 2-0-9'er, you are cleared for take-off.

Oveur:
Roger.

Murdock:
Huh?

LA Control Tower:
L.A. departure frequency: 1-2-3 point 9'er.

Oveur:
Roger.

Murdock:
Huh?

Basta:
Request vector, over.

Oveur:
What?

LA Control Tower:
Flight 2-0-9'er, clear for vector 2-3-4.

Murdock:
We have clearance, Clarence.

Oveur:
Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

“ You have seen; with your own eyes; the words of your Scriptures, witnesses and leaders of Mormonism. Why do you stubbornly insist that they are FALSE?? “

Mormons don’t believe in objective truth, but in feelings.

It leads them away from God and salvation, to gods and hell.

I just thought of another awesome scripture that contradicts the whole ‘Triune’ doctrine:
Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
This particular scripture makes perfect sense to me. Jesus the Christ calling to Almighty God, his father in heaven.
Anyone care to explain to me how the non-biblical Triune God managed to forsake himself at the time when he needed himself the most?

We are not called on to understand everything God teaches us but we ARE called on to believe everything he teaches us...

We know God is a Trinity because he created man as a trinity (1Th. 5:23) and created man in his/their own image...

Did God give us any insight as to whether these trinitarian partners could disagree with each other???

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

As we can see here, the 'trinity' in every man/woman can chose or fight to go its own way...

Can you explain how you and ALL others often debate with themselves over a decision??? It's so normal we don't even consider it...We as humans are three persons in one and when God the Holy Ghost enters us we often engage in that battle or war that the apostle Paul talks about...

So I don't worry about understanding how that all takes place but you can be sure I believe it does take place...

We are a trinity, who often don't agree with each other, just as God is a Trinity...

Based on the many truths you have related in #261 and #265, why would I be moved to believe that those six or any other organized or disorganized religion has any authority whatsoever to stand in the place of what Christ re-established in the meridian of time? Seems to me you had better come up with ONE that represents the mind and will of God, or you better put on your thinking cap and get back to searching for further light and knowledge.

Thanks again for being willing to print the truth however difficult you find it to believe. I had prepared a response to an earlier post by you that I regarded as just a bit deceptive but chose instead to harp on the usual religion and personal bashing that goes on.

God struck the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine (Episcopal) with lightning a few years ago. Right in the New Age section of the bookstore.

Also ....who said God the Father doesn’t have a body? ....certainly not the Bible:

- Who is the image of the invisible God, Col. 1:15.

You posted that...God (the Father) is invisible...

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

God the Father is a spirit and all spirits are invisible...

- predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, Rom. 8:29.

That is why we are conformed to the image of the Son and not the Father...

- I have seen God face to face, Gen. 32:30.
- they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet, Ex. 24:10.

And how is that possible if God (the Father) is invisible??? It ought to be obvious...
They were seeing the physical body of Jesus the Son, the physical manifestation of the Trinity...

Here is a really good explanation

So there is the deceptive post again. Deceptive IMHO based on not printing the entirety of Alma Ch 11. minus the weights and measures verses. For what you have printed to be in perspective I believe you must include verses 1-3 and 20-to end of chapter. There is also much worth reading in Chapter 10 that explains the real lesson to be learned.

Our relationship with God is obviously spiritual, as that is how we communicate with him through prayer. Yet, again, we are told in Genesis that we are created in God’s image. I’m assuming that the scripture means that God has an image that looks more or less like man. Is taking this scripture at face value somehow blasphemous?

No: what is means is that you are engaging in sophistry (in your inability to show that that God is an exalted physical man by way of obedience to another god) by using "image" to mean that "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's ," which - along with your attempt at using poetic anthropomorphic language as literal - further testifies to your ignorance (or willful deceit) and isolationist eisegesis rather than Scripture defining Scripture.

And by which you were already reproved, but which was ignored as you carelessly continue to reiterate specious cultic apologetics.

For you were clearly shown that Christ stated that "God is Spirit," (Jn. 4:24) and always was God "from everlasting," (Ps. 90:2) and "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" (Luke 24:39) but which Christ became a partaker of, (Jn. 1:14; Hebrews 2:14) though that was not His essential nature, who existed "from everlasting" as well. (Micah 5:2)

Moreover, regarding His essential nature, Numbers 23:19 (cf. 1Sa 15:29) states that "God is not a man" and also makes a distinction btwn the two in in Ezekiel 28:2 ("yet thou art a man, and not God."

Meanwhile, although I do not exclude that "image" can refer to God being in appearance - not nature - as man, yet man being in the image of God can refer to the tripartite nature of man: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

And what corresponds to this is what has already been said, that God states He created all things by Himself, alone, (Is. 44:234) yet speaking of Christ, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made," (John 1:3) (for thru Him were all things created (Col 1:16) thru the Spirit. (Job 33:4)

Thus when God said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness' (Genesis 1:26) this is not Scripturally defined as God having a physical body, much less being an exalted physical man by way of obedience to another god, for God is a spirit, and not a man, while "us" is plural. Which is not that of the later use of the "royal we" for that would mean God did not create all things by Himself, alone.

Later, in one of the 6 times God uses "us" or "our" to refer to Himself, Isaiah states - after He had seen "the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple." (Isaiah 6:1) - "I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us ? Then said I, Here am I; send me. (Isaiah 6:8) He is then told to "Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." (Isaiah 6:10) And referring to this, John 12 tells us (in response to the question, "who is this Son of man?" John 12:34). "Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. (John 12:39-41)

Which means that the Lord that Isaiah (Esaias, Gk.) in his vision was the Lord Jesus.

Thus your continued tactic of deflecting your inability to show that God the Father is a married exalted-man (a physical being of "flesh and bones") having completed the process of becoming an exalted being by obedience to the god over him ( who may have had multiple wives, along with Christ on earth) by alleging lack of evidence for Christian theology is desperate and is an argument against being a Mormon.

I just thought of another awesome scripture that contradicts the whole ‘Triune’ doctrine:

Rather, this simply further displays what I charitably will assign to ignorance, rather than willful deceit.

Matthew 27:46 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? This particular scripture makes perfect sense to me. Jesus the Christ calling to Almighty God, his father in heaven. Anyone care to explain to me how the non-biblical Triune God managed to forsake himself at the time when he needed himself the most?

Then since it seems that simply because you find this incomprehensible if Christ is God by nature, then you should find this incomprehensible as well: "thou, Lord, hast not forsaken them that seek thee." (Psalms 9:10) And "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." (2 Corinthians 5:19)

For how could God be in Christ ("the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works:" John 14:10) and yet forsake Himself? Do you think Christ sinned so that the Father left Christ, who said "the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him" (John 8:29) and God promises never to forsake the faithful?

Rather, the sense in which the Father forsook Christ was not by leaving Him, but by allowing Him to be crucified as an atonement for all the sins of mankind, as the scapegoat and sin offering foretold by Is. 53: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6) Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. (Isaiah 53:10)

Thus once again you either have a contradiction, of God forsaking the sinless Christ, or you must allow what comparing Scripture with Scripture teaches, that of "forsaking" meaning allowing Him to be treated as one forsaken in making atonement, in which the Father in a sense can hide His face for a moment, yet as actually forsaken His own.

Thus all that is left is your refusal to allow God to define "one" as referring to a composite vs. absolute oneness, and thus demand that God can only be one person, vs. one being, which as showed, means you have irreconcilable contradictions in Scripture, since Christ is said to be and shown to be God.

Did you know that Emperor Theodosius made the Nicene Creed’s final triumph by forcing belief upon threat of execution through the ‘Eddict of Thesalonica’ in 380 AD? Somehow .... I never thought that was how Christ desired that his Doctrine should be established.

Meaning this also displays ignorance, for rather than our belief being due to the progressive Romanization of the church and its attempt by civil power to produce unity (but which did not produce a "final triumph"), the establishment, affirmation of and contention for the Trinitarian nature of God by "Bible Christians" is based upon the degree of evidential warrant for it. Which is the same basis that distinctive Catholic teachings are rejected, as not being manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed , which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels:

Simply because we concur and affirm many things that Judaism or Catholicism affirms (or Mormonism) does not mean their affirmations is the basis for ours, as instead we reject what we do not see as Scriptural.

Thus another of your flailing attempts to defend your sexually active exalted man-God and religion of fables is reproved, by the grace of God.

Thank-you for your reasoned reply ... except for the anti-mormon fake news/slander .

What fake news/slander? You have consistently failed to substantiate anything contrary to what what substantiated, and instead your recourse continues to be that of alleging a lack of warrant for standard Christian theology, which is actually the very thing distinctive Mormonic doctrine lacks.

First of all, of course I believe that Christ is divine. He is the only-begotten son of the Father, Almighty God.

Cease with your sophistry. You are to believe in a sexually-active exalted man-god with a physical body of flesh and blood, who became God by obedience to a god over him, and a christ who was the spirit child along with Lucifer of a Heavenly Mother (you may optionally also believe this christ had multiple wives, and His father ), and yet you are told this is what 1st century Christians believed.

And yet you protest in your ignorance of Scripture and standard Christian doctrine that the latter is wrong.

He is the only-begotten son of the Father, Almighty God. ...But don’t take my word for it, .... “John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” So as I understand it .... you don’t believe that Christ was the only begotten Son of God?

You mean Christ was born of a sexually active man-God and his heavenly wife, rather than existing "from everlasting," "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18)

Rather, as words are in your heart and express you, so Christ was and is ever in the bosom of the Father, but as the only begotten Son He is the manifest expression of the Father not simply on earth but in Heaven, whom all the angels worship as God. (Hebrews 1:5) beyond that we are dealing with a mystery upon which man make speculate, but which excludes your sexually-active exalted man-god with a physical body of flesh and blood, who became God by obedience to a god over him, and a christ who was the spirit child along with Lucifer of a Heavenly Mother, etc. etc..

Deal with your own massive problems rather than alleging discrepancies on our end.

FRiend, what is true is not a matter of personal opinion.

Truth is declared by God in Holy Scripture.

In principle we both believe those statements. Truth is Eternal, and unchanging. You unfortunately leave out what would solve the great mystery and confusion of those claiming to believe the Bible to be the Word of God.

What remains in your post is you telling me what I and millions of others believe, without a shred of evidence to back it up other than what caused me to reply in the beginning “YOUR PERSONAL OPINION”. The caps are not yelling, they are only for emphasis.

There is a fundamental difference in Christianity believing the Bible as authoritative scripture, and the sole source of truth, and those who believe that God must continue to speak to his children as an absolute necessity for the preservation of absolute truth. No amount of wrangling, debate, discourse or arguing the points will change the fundamental difference.

I will leave it at that to preserve civility. I believe that too is a necessity. Without it we are divided, with it there are the Beatitudes and Hope.

To Teppe: The entire book of the gospel of John weighs against Mormonism....Starting with the first chapter...

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...”

Chapter 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us...”

Chapter 8:58” “Verily I say unto you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM(!).”

Exodus: and God told Moses “I AM(!) that I AM(!), tell the people I AM(!) hath sent thee!

Christ was with the Father from the foundation of the world and there is nothing that exists Jesus was not a part of the creating, there-of!

“ Truth is declared by God in Holy Scripture.”

....

But mormons and other cultists do not believe what is in Scripture.

They contradict what God declares, add to what He inspired, and pervert who He is, as well as His Gospel of Grace that saves.

Mormonism has nothing in common with Christianity, other than the name Jesus Christ, but they mean a different person than the Christ of Scripture, who was never created, always eternal, and alone able to save.

The Mormon Jesus was a created spirit who came earth to get a body and became a Mormon god.

Henotheism is a perversion of truth.

Wow .... before you explain my beliefs to me could you please cite the LDS scriptures which you are referring to?

As with all religions, there is speculation and accepted doctrine. Apparently you do not understand the difference.
Your insistence that any person who has ever been LDS making a comment about their beliefs as being official church doctrine is laughable.

I would appreciate it if you would stop slandering God, the Father of Jesus Christ.

Apparently your problem is with Christ’s Apostle John who said Christ was the only begotten son of God the Father.

I’m sorry that you disagree with John. I am merely believing the words which he testified to.

Actually, I find that the book of John fits hand-in-glove with the ‘Church of Jesus Christ’ Christology.

What was the beginning? The beginning of God? I don’t think so .... I think it was the Beginning of God’s period of creation.

We believe that all mankind were created as Spirits in a pre-existence. Pretty much following the Apostle Paul: Acts 17:29 “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.”

The spirit of Jesus Christ was God’s first creation and became his right-hand-man or the ‘Word’. +/-4000 years later Christ was born in the Flesh.

As Christ was the mouthpiece of God, he spoke at times in the old as well as new testament in the first person for God, which God had designated him to do.

My favorite scripture in John is John 17:20-22

where Christ prayed that his disciples: 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

I as well as the rest of the members of the ‘Church of Jesus Christ’ am striving to live according to this commandment from Christ.....

.... to be ‘one’ with Christ and God in the same way that God and Christ are one!

A oneness of purpose to suppress our earthly nature and submit to the commandments of God the Father, just like Christ himself did.