Corona Virus Thread #19

March 17th, 2020

[Mariner]

Thread #18 is here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3825150/posts?page=1

[blueplum]

ILLINOIS - Chicago

May 17 - FAA: Tower at Chicago’s Midway airport is closed after ‘several’ employees test positive for COVID-19

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/faa-says-tower-at-chicagos-midway-airport-is-closed-after-several-air-traffic-controllers-test-positive-for-covid-19.html

[blueplum]

ENGLAND -

England Coronavirus Deaths Rise to 67, up 14 From Monday
The patients who died in England were aged between 93 and 45 and had underlying health conditions, NHS England said. A total of 67 patients have died in England, two in Wales and two in Scotland.

SOUTH AFRICA -

South Africa’s confirmed cases of COVID-19 rises to 85
https://news.yahoo.com/south-africas-confirmed-cases-covid-054930558.html

EU/CANADA/USA - UBER AND LYFT

COVID-19 concerns see Uber Pool suspended in North America and parts of Europe

Competitor Lyft has also paused car-pooling services in the US and Canada.

[blueplum]

MedCram lecture
Dr. Roger Seheult

Coronavirus Pandemic Update 38: How Hospitals & Clinics Can Prepare for COVID-19, Global Cases Surge
As global coronavirus cases surge, many hospitals cannot keep up with the demand. Personnel, equipment, and supplies are in short supply. Dr. Seheult discusses the latest COVID-19 trends, as well as measures hospitals and patients, can consider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoisrCTu0SY

[Paul R.]

There is a saying. Whatever you subsidize you get more of and whatever you tax you have less of.

Apparently we need a big time mask subsidy. And a time machine. Excellent article here regarding the problems with ramping up mask production:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/16/814929294/covid-19-has-caused-a-shortage-of-face-masks-but-theyre-surprisingly-hard-to-mak

I am stunned that the die drilling is not done by laser.

Even with all the problems cited in the article, I have to believe that Asian countries are way ahead of us on the production volume of masks, because for as long as I can recall, many Asians in polluted cities wore masks. Granted that China's production of N95 masks (only 600,000 per day, and some of questionable quality) is not very impressive.

Whatever the hell it takes, we need to solve this problem yesterday.

[ReaganGeneration2]

New deaths 3/17 = 23. (109 minus 86)
Total = 109

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Score = 21.1 (worse than Italy, Iran, Spain scores yesterday)

[greeneyes]

MedCram lecture
Dr. Roger Seheult
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I’ve been watching these MedCram updates—Very good and well worth watching.

I also like the ones that Dr. Campbell does.

[Paul R.]

Warm weather is not going to “stop” a virus. But it should reduce it’s length of viability outside the body somewhat. People still get “summer colds”, nonetheless. I certainly have.

Likely Vitamin D, UV (sunshine), people simply not being crammed together indoors, etc., all make some difference.

I still think this could be a tough summer, though.

[FreedomForce]

Comments on the youtube video about using one ventilator for multiple patients that Dr. Seheult referenced in that video are interesting. A RT was saying it would be better to train people to use ambu bags. Those comments caused me to do some searching which led me to this video about an automated ambu bag. Would something like this work for coronavirus patients? It looks simple enough that it could be cranked out by the thousands very quickly.

https://youtu.be/vjRKN_fw1SA

[blueplum]

honestly, you’d have to have a medical engineer look at it for a fair opinion. I can guess parts would have to be made of plastics that won’t off-gas, no static, etc., and it’d need a bunch of bells and whistles to comply with regs, which are pretty tough. Looks like a good idea, tho. Why not?

best I can gather from your video, here’s something similar:
http://medicalequipment-msl.com/upload/img/20150515/20150515142325.jpg

[P.O.E.]

There’s an eerie quiet outside - not a lot of planes flying overhead. Reminds me of the days right after 9/11.

[blueplum]

I don’t think it will, either. I’ve had summer flu, too, in 109 degrees outside temps. Miserable.

I think summer will be ok if we “don’t f..k it up” copyright England.

Everybody stays parked for 2 weeks. With incubation period a given, if somebody is going to get sick, it will show. Cull those out. Everybody else that makes it thru the 2 weeks quarantined and nobody’s sick gets to play with their friends that also made it thru the two weeks with no sickness in their households. People who mess around with quarantine get shunned and shut out until they do pull their 14 days. At the end of two weeks, we can at least have some human socializing. And hopefully that small friends group can get a little larger, with still no illness. We just gotta stop, go couch potato, and starve this troll virus right off the planet. How’s that for optimism? :)

[BobL]

“I think you and I are in complete agreement.”

I think we are really close! There were ‘aerosol deniers’ on on these threads in the past, but they’ve pretty much been silenced by the facts. They thought a bit of bleach and Purrell would keep them safe - sorry, not happening, not that easy, not even close.

Anyway, I think the only difference is that I’m implying from what you’re saying (maybe incorrectly) is that viruses actually ‘live’ in ventilation systems and reproduce there, as in Legionnaire’s Disease, whereas I’m saying that while closed ventilation systems circulate viruses, they can’t actually increase the number of virons or the concentration of them...those systems let them build up, but to increase the total number, you need infected people, dumping more virons into the closed environment - and they have to be dumping more faster than the virons are dying off.

[9YearLurker]

Exactly. Sure, it is still spreading, but we had hardly scratched the surface on testing until now. So the leap in number has both factors feeding into it right now.

[BobL]

“The strategy they are apparently following is best seen as a teenager learning how to drive:

—Hit the accelerator (no serious actions, virus infects 5% of the population).
—Slam on the brakes (we are here now)
—In a few months hit the accelerator (allowed time for hospitals to catch up, need to get the economy moving for a while)
—Slam on the brakes—again! Virus has infected another 10% of the population (several months pause)
—Hit the accelerator
—Slam on the brakes”

Wow, that’s intense, but there is something to it!
Obviously, having several chest freezers makes getting through it much easier - draw down during the lockdowns, refill during the ‘normal’ periods.

[BobL]

“There will be many lawsuits against the cruise industry for not insuring the duct work was sterilized.”

I doubt the cruise business can last more than a few months without running ships, and certainly not a few years, which is what it will take before us ‘cruisers’ get back into it.

So they’ll go broke, release their debts (and lost lawsuits) and new companies that we’ve not heard of yet will slowly rise from their ashes.

...at least that’s how I see it (and pretty much how the stocks are performing).

[TermLimits4All]

Had a busy day yesterday. Just catching up on thread 19. Seems Cobb is outpacing the other counties at this time.

[firebrand]

Why do you say that?

[cgbg]

What is interesting about the “teenage driver” plan is that is assumes a certain percentage of “leakage”, so they do not need or expect “everyone” to comply—as long as most people (90%+) comply the plan moves forward.

I am not saying the plan “works” because we are talking about a crazy bumpy ride here....

[John W]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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I will be having a news conference today to discuss very important news from the FDA concerning the Chinese Virus!

[Dark Wing]

This article is a North Texas Coronavirus Sitrep.

Short form — 30(+) cases in Dallas county and one death, a 77 year old man in a Masonic retirement community. His widow is now showing symptoms.

One middle schooler in the Dallas Independent School District (DISD) was at J.L. Long Middle School, near the Junius Heights neighborhood in Old East Dallas, Friday with symptoms. He was sent home early by the school nurse. The student tested positive Monday.

There were nine new cases in Dallas yesterday (3-17-2020) including two women in their 20s, a man in his 30s, a man and a woman in their 40s, two women in their 50s, a man in his 60s and a woman in her 70s.

The Dallas Morning News reports five of the patients were hospitalized, including three in critical-care units, health officials said. The four others were self-isolating

Dallas county is not releasing infection data on any individual case until after the contract trace interview is done. If it misses the daily release time. The case is announced the next day.

Student at Dallas middle school tests positive for coronavirus; city closes playgrounds
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/03/17/tarrant-countys-6th-coronavirus-patient-is-apparent-case-of-community-spread/