Posted on 02/14/2020 9:45:49 AM PST by bolobaby
The SARS "epidemic" lasted from 1 November 2002 – 31 July 2003 (9 months). During that time there were...
8,096 total cases worldwide (5,327 in China)
774 total fatalities (349 in China)
...which gave us a fatality rate of 9.6% (6.6% in China).
Take a good look at those numbers. When you exclude China, the global fatality rate for SARS was 15.3%. This includes a 17.1% fatality rate in the socialized-medicine utopia otherwise known as Canada. Other notable rates - Hong Kong @ 17.0% and Singapore @ 13.9%. Both of the latter countries are well known for excellent healthcare in the region. Also notable: total cases in Japan were ZERO. (Make a note of this for later.)
It's clear that at 6.6%, China was not fully reporting fatalities from SARS.
The important thing to bear in mind is that fatality rate can only be determined from RESOLVED cases. That is, you are either recovered or dead. The stats for SARS are set in stone because we know how all those cases turned out.
Why do I bring this up?
Well, let's look at the current numbers for Coronavirus:
64,457 total cases worldwide (63,863 in China)
1,384 total fatalities (1,381 in China)
...BUT ONLY...
7,155 recovered (7,072 in China)
THEREFORE, for *resolved* cases, the current fatality rate *in China* is 1,381/(1,381 + 7,072) = 16.3%.
Let me take a moment to recognize that this number is likely to come down significantly as groups of patients come off longstanding quarantines. Just how far it comes down we don't know.
Let's also recognize that China is a bunch of lying communist pricks. They lied about their 6.6% SARS fatality rate, and are clearly lying here. So, even if the 16.3% number comes down, it will still not be an accurate representation of the true fatality rate in China. In the end, will their BOGUS number be higher or lower than the 6.6% SARS rate?
The rest of the world, with BETTER health care than mainland China reported a fatality rate from SARS that was 2.3x the mortality rate in China. So whatever number China winds up with, the rest of the world could very easily be 2.3x that.
Now - let's talk about basic reproduction rate, R0 (pronounced "r naught").
SARS lasted 9 months and infected only 8,096 people worldwide. The 64,457 cases for Coronavirus mentioned above starts from January 20th. In other words, not even one month ago. So, in about 10% of the time we've already got 8x times as many infected. I'm going to repeat that...
In 10% of the time, 8x more people have gotten Coronavirus compared to SARS.
If it was just a straight extrapolation across 9 months, that would mean we'd see over 600,000 cases worldwide. Maybe a little more, maybe a little less as it winds down.
Here's the problem with infectious diseases, though, as the infection rate goes up, it doesn't go up LINEARLY but EXPONENTIALLY.
What is R0?
This number is essentially the infection rate. An infection rate of 1.28 (about average for the "normal" flu) means that for every one person that gets sick, they are likely to get 1.28 people sick until something changes, such as the season. (In the flu's case, things like seasonal temperature change eventually help to kill off the virus.)
An R0 of 2 means that from patient zero to the 4th generation infected, you have 15 total infected.
An R0 of 3 means that from patient zero to the 4th generation infected, you have 40 total infected.
An R0 of 4 means that from patient zero to the 4th generation infected, you have 85 total infected.
Doubling the R0 from 2 to 4 means a *potential* to increase the infected 5.7x.
We readily use the flu vaccine in the United States. The flu has a low R0 of about 1.28 on average. Despite that, about 10% of Americans get the flu every year. The pandemic strain of the flu was estimated to have an R0 of 2-3.
So what is the R0 of Coronavirus? Well, because China is asshole, we don't yet know, but consider this: the R0 of SARS was somewhere between 2-5. That's pretty bad... but wait! Millions get the flu every year and only 8,096 got SARS. WTF? Well, this is because we were able to do a decent job containing and quarantining SARS. We're a little more lax with the flu even though it kills tens of thousands of Americans every year.
Right now, the best estimate for Coronavirus's R0 is 4.7–6.6 (source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1.full.pdf) That's a VERY big number. We can see the impact this number is having on the total number infected and how hard it has been to contain compared to SARS.
Remember that I mentioned Japan had no cases of SARS? Well they have 29 cases of Coronavirus already and we're just getting started.
You can see that China is having trouble with containment from the news and videos that have leaked out. With SARS, we saw some people walking around with masks on. THIS TIME China...
On top of that, China reports that more than 500 health care workers have tested positive. These are people who are supposed to be taking the strictest measures to avoid infection. They're the ones you see decked out in full protective gear.
The bottom line - China is having serious trouble containing the infection. Many, many more are being infected in a much shorter period than prior epidemics. The R0 is high enough to suggest that a LARGE percentage of the world's population will be exposed.
Now, you may be thinking: this is 'Murica! We're not some backwater country like China! We can handle an outbreak!
Well, yes and no, Freepers.
It's true we've got some of the greatest health care in the world. We are also uniquely capable of handling situations like this without the authoritarian measures a country like China needs to take.
But...
I want you to remember that the SARS fatality rate for the "civilized" world was 2.3x HIGHER than China's reported rate. So far, the reported rate in China isn't looking great.
The biggest danger to our country, however, comes from South America. If Coronavirus hits South America, and starts spreading like wildfire as in China, people will come RUNNING for our southern border hoping to both escape and get medical care. Even if we close the border, we know some will get through. They'll head for relatives in any number of cities throughout the country, bring the virus with them. Given the fact that the incubation period for this virus can be up to 2 weeks, they may not even be sick or know they have been exposed. Now we'll be fighting pockets of infection all over the place.
This thing has the potential to get out of hand fast. It's both infectious and deadly. Viral medications are harder to come by than antibiotics. You need to be ready to protect yourself from getting the infection in the first place! Be ready to shelter in place for weeks if needed.
I could go into the various ways to prepare, but this post is long enough. Track the progress of the virus here, but don't believe the numbers coming of China. They're bullshit and don't reflect how truly bad it is: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
I can see that.
I’ve only sunburned once in my life. I do try to get 30m of rays when the season is appropriate for D3 synthesis.
930,000 hospital beds.
The guy in Washington state was put in a positive air isolation unit. The hospital had one unit, two beds. I’m guessing many hospitals in the state of Washington have similar - but probably a total that are in the hundreds.
That’s great if the cases remain isolated. When five people show up at time - not so good.
If you’re freaking out, then that’s your problem.
I might. But not forever in any event.
“That’s right, folks! This crap could kill off nearly 40 percent of Americans who get it.”
OH PLEASE - It will only kill about 20 percent of Americans - why spread fear? If you have 5 people in your household, you’ll have 4 people a year from now. Not 3, dingbat.
Feel better? I don’t.
(thanks for the ping, Tol, by the way)
I’m merely going by the 2.3x multiplier and the phony Chinese death percentage. But if we keep it mostly caged up, we might not be as dead. Maybe not even 20.
Bro you got so many fears and insecurities that it glares like the sun :)
Have a nice weekend :)
“I’m merely going by the 2.3x multiplier and the phony Chinese death percentage. But if we keep it mostly caged up, we might not be as dead. Maybe not even 20.”
I hear you - hang tough, we’re in for quite a ride!
I'm here for the SPAM grilling ideas. The kids want a little more variety. Plus they're getting bored filling mags.
you might try cutting the SPAM Julienne cut. LOL
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LOL!
You project much clown.
Take your meds..
Bump
64,457 total cases worldwide (63,863 in China)
1,384 total fatalities (1,381 in China)
And yet for some reason this seems to never spark any curiosity seeing that the people outside of China are not dying anywhere near the same rate?
On another thread from yesterday, someone posted a theory that goes something like this: Perhaps some truly bad bio-weapon was accidentally released from the weapons lab near Wuhan and another much weaker virus was released that is now in a number of countries...That milder virus being released as a cover so China doesn’t have to come clean on the more dangerous bio-weapon...
I found the theory interesting because it might help explain the seemingly higher death rate in Wuhan and the surrounding region...
and the quarantine facilitates this as well as the fact that WHO docs have not been allowed into Wuhan—at least that was the case a few days ago....
Eh maybe I need some tin foil to add to my prepper shopping list...but I did find the theory interesting.
It looks like people are going to starve to death in China... is that the plan to kill the virus?
I've kept a four-day supply of food and water for emergencies, ie my hurricane stash, since I moved into my own apartment. I have a two month supply now, and am ordering freeze-dry food for another two weeks. If the basic reproduction rate of Covid 2019 ends up being below 2 and its mortality rate is under 1%, I just have cheap food.
One-hundred-fifty degree treatment should deactivate a virus. Microwaves stir water molecules to generate heat-no water content would mean no heating. A sauna would work.
If it begins in the cities, strict quarantine?
I agree, the numbers in China are probably far worse than we know but I’m not ready to run around with my hair on fire-even if I do ponder the possibilities.
I don’t believe we should ignore the possible threat either.
I’m not as afraid of the virus itself as I am the chaos that could gradually bubble up from a slow disruption of the global supply/manufacturing flow. There could be shortages of everything soon and almost everything is made in... China these days.
I am hoping and praying it will fizzle out as the weather warms up and before the JIT system is completely fubared.
In the meantime I am laying in supplies as I am able. Not buying MOPP suits and cartons of masks, just trying to have enough of what we already use on hand to hunker down for several months. If we need it for hunkering down, fine. If we don’t have to do that then great!I don’t have to go to the store for a while. :)
I do believe here it may not hit as hard. I have been reading about it off and on for weeks now. I have read that the east Asians are more genetically susceptible to this thing. Add nationwide pollution, malnutrition, weird food, archaic hygiene and superstitions in outlying areas and scattered, overtaxed and scarce healthcare to that. It is a combination that would definitely make sickness of any sort spread like wildfire.
In the end, whatever will be will be. God’s will-He’s in charge.
I’m worried about the swarms of locusts in Africa as well.
Also the sheer numbers of people crammed together in the big city apartment buildings or on cruise ships which are a petri dish on a good day....
That doesn’t help either!
This is a good approach. Steps in moderation to be prepared. “Worry a little.”
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