Posted on 01/27/2020 7:49:21 AM PST by SeekAndFind
“Picard pined for a family in “Generations” and occasionally before that IIRC.”
Pining and doing are two different things, though. I pine for one myself, and well, you know that story.
“People live longer in this future (longer than I think is technically possible, wasn’t McCoy like 150 before he died?)”
McCoy being in the TNG pilot was an outlier, gimmick and a bit absurd. In fact, I doubt he would’ve made it to the age he claimed, unless they magically found a cure for arthritis, which was already crippling him by the movies (Christopher Plummer’s Gen. Chang barking “You were incompetent !” was telling in why he was partly unable to save the Klingon Chancellor Gorkon). Memory Alpha had McCoy being only 39 when he joined the Enterprise, though the actor was 46 and looked a bit past 50.
If expanded lifespans were likely, we’d be looking younger, not older than our actual age (i.e. at 50, you’d look 30 and so forth, at 100, you’d look 75-80, etc.). McCoy was supposed to be 137 in the TNG pilot, but if you look at him when he was 66 and wracked with arthritis in “The Undiscovered Country” and looking closer to a frail 80+, it seems all the more ludicrous he’d live 71 more years (in fact, it was never mentioned when he died). It would’ve been hell for him to suffer with such health problems for longer than he was alive at the point he was to retire from his post (and then supposedly he went on to all these other positions, such as Surgeon General, et al, which seem all the more baffling and unlikely).
Of course, as long as you’re a male and can still ejaculate (with viable swimmers), you can impregnate a fertile female. I think even my ggg-grandfather who remarried a woman 30 years younger than himself (she was 25, he was 55), was still having children with her until around 70. I get a bit touchy when that subject of wide age disparities between a guy and a girl come up on here, because had he not married that young woman, I would not exist (nor my father, his mother and so on). I’ll similarly have to do the same to start a family (well, not 30 years yet).
It explicitly stated the wife, Marie, survived Robert and René in Memory Alpha info. Yes, so Jean-Luc is indeed even older than I thought his character would be, around 95.
Getting back to something I remembered, from the Animated Series of all things (considered semi-canon), they had the first Captain of the Enterprise, Commodore Robert April, and he was being forced to retire at the age of 75 (though it was rescinded). With the exception of the Vulcans, you don’t want a geriatric corps serving in active duty. I can imagine an absolute limit of maybe 85-90, so it makes Picard’s “retirement” not due his belief that “Starfleet wasn’t Starfleet” anymore, but because of obvious reasons of diminished physical capacity.
“RE Refugee Number, I can easily see 900 mil wisely leaving the homeworld before it was blown up. I have no issue with that. Nor with the libtard Federation wanting to help, they did the same thing with the Klingons in Star Trek 6. The GOP probably only has like 10% of the seats in the Federation Congress. ;-D”
Would those 900 million have known what was to happen ? If so, why didn’t they attempt to stop it ? It’s really too ludicrous to consider. Blowing up all these worlds is too beyond the pale. In fact, it’s made it no longer shocking, but absurd. Vulcan, gone. Romulus, gone. Mars(?), gone ? It’s ludicrous and bad writing. That’s soap opera level stuff. I love soaps, well, the ones I watch, but you take it with a grain of salt, and expect some retcons to occur from time to time for the purpose of stories and drama. But this really diminishes the Trek universe reducing it to this level of silliness.
Picard sword fight. Well, was he battling a bad guy while people sat by and watched and did nothing, or was this just a good-natured jousting match that he enjoyed while Captain ? If it’s the former, again, the absurdity of a 95-year old character in such a situation...
As for driving dune buggies, the one thing I noticed about the TOS and even TNG period was that there seemed to be no vehicles (not counting Abrams’ absurd scene with a little kid Kirk menacing the corn fields of SE Iowa playing some $hit modern-to-our-era music). I would think the dune buggies would not be PC SJW-approved technology, and make Patrick Stewart look like a hypocrite. Mass transit seemed like the only method.
Anyway, we’re debating all this canon/not canon stuff in a show that cannot be canon in the fictional Abrams Kurtzman Fag Faux Trek universe of asshattery.
Although I regret that I let my kids watch it.
McCoy had retirement written all over him in the later movies so yeah, would he have wanted to become Surgeon General? Maybe he got bored of booze and chicks, somehow.
“Would those 900 million have known what was to happen ? If so, why didn’t they attempt to stop it ?”
Why didn’t Superman’s dad stop the same thing from happening?
The position of the Romulan government was “lalalala everything is fine the Sun is NOT gonna blow up”. Nothing for a minority to do but try to flee. They should be fine though, the refugees, all they need is a planet and some replicators, no shortage of either, right?
I have no problem with the concept, not that I would have chosen to base the show on a stupid plot device invented by JJ Abrams in order to create a really crappy villain for an alternate timeline movie franchise. Especially if it’s meant to be a BS Muslim refugees parable. I like the “android ban” plotline even less. It’s lazy.
Vulcan is still there in the “real” timeline, only gone in the “Chris Pine timeline”. Seems Mars is still there but everyone dead and it’s still on fire like a tire yard.
He had nursing home written all over him. Dee Kelley didn't make it to 80, even if he looked older than that in ST:TUC. He should've retired to be with his wife, Natira, after she and her people settled that new world. It should've been Ambassador Spock seeing off Enterprise-D. Huge, huge gaffe.
"Why didn’t Superman’s dad stop the same thing from happening?"
I think that was the key problem with the entire Superman universe. This was a superior humanoid species and they merely ignored or denied what was going to happen to their planet (which would've been realized by scientific minds years ahead of time) ? It didn't pass the smell test. Of course, mind you, Superman's father couldn't stop the destruction of Krypton, but they could've evacuated it en masse.
"The position of the Romulan government was “lalalala everything is fine the Sun is NOT gonna blow up”. Nothing for a minority to do but try to flee. They should be fine though, the refugees, all they need is a planet and some replicators, no shortage of either, right? I have no problem with the concept, not that I would have chosen to base the show on a stupid plot device invented by JJ Abrams in order to create a really crappy villain for an alternate timeline movie franchise. Especially if it’s meant to be a BS Muslim refugees parable. I like the “android ban” plotline even less. It’s lazy."
That would indicate profound ignorance on the part of the Romulans, and a suicidal streak. This, too, makes no sense. Shows Abrams, Kurtzman and the Gilmore Girls gang have no understanding whatsoever of the Trek universe. It's all utter silliness and just piss-poor writing/storytelling.
"Vulcan is still there in the “real” timeline, only gone in the “Chris Pine timeline”. Seems Mars is still there but everyone dead and it’s still on fire like a tire yard."
Well, all those places are still there in the real timeline, since Piccc-kurd (Q pronunciation) is in the fake one. =shaking head=
Do you have that details on that lawsuit non-canon thing? I plum forgot about that.
May be way back on the Doomcock videos. Type it in to Youtube and they’ll probably have a number of videos outlining the legalities (the 25% difference, whatever the fudge that means).
Another Doomcock video came out, he absolutely filleted episode numero dos of Puke-card (yes, he called it that). This show is just bad, bad parody. Bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slw2lmXxMxE
Those Doomcock videos reviewing Kurtzman’s Star Drek are 10x more entertaining than the episodes themselves are.
Here’s another video, this one from “Nerdrotic”, eviscerating the new series and the loathsome scum that have ruined the franchise since Jar-Jar Abrams.
“Modern Dystopia”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluFbFx1hl4
Well I watched episode 2 here’s my recap, I enjoy recapping crap for some reason
SPOILER ALERT
Flashback 14 years, the robot rebellion on Mars. So they are basically slaves, not clear how “sentient” they are, kept in a shipping container at night and made fun of by the human workers for not getting bad jokes.
As in all evil robot fiction they all get taken over somehow and start killing humans (they only show the one though). Bad Robot lowers the shields, these ships come and bomb the ship yards and the bad robot shoots himself for some reason even though he’s about to get blown up with the rest of the shipyards.
Back in the Present
Borg Cube. It’s called “the artifact” it’s cut-off from the collective. The “Romulan Free State” owns it and is making bank off it’s technology. Bunch of federation citizens are there working to “reclaim” catatonic ex-borg. Real humanitarians.
Twinsister is one of those people, she’s spread her legs for that Romunlan dude, who is off-puttingly bearded and British. I will call him Cumberbatch.
Someone does some surgery on a drone, takes out all the implants, even the eye thing, the real eye is bloody and effed up under there.
Back to Earth
So both Picard’s butler and housekeeper are Romulans (I didn’t notice the Chick’s ears before) and I shiite you not, Ex Tal Shiar (Romulan intelligence). Would you want an ex spy to pick up your broken tea set? Why can’t you use a reverse replicator vacuum to deal with that?
So the Housekeeper, she sounds Irishish, the dude seems so human and American that it’s off-putting.
Now I don’t know their names, I’m gonna call the chick SexyEars, she’s a little older but I like the accent. The dude I will call Jeeves.
So they are distressed there are no particles left over of dead girl. “They erased her” They speculate on the existence of some mythical deep state cult within/beyond the Tal Shiar called the Ican’trememberthestupid name. Let’s call them the Illuminati.
Now these supposed people that 100% exist despite Jeeves thinking they are a children’s story (and never seeming to do anything in Star Trek before) secretly HATE AND FEAR artificial intelligence for some reason than I would guess is borg related. Turns out all Romulan computers just do math, they don’t even have Alexa or Siri I guess.
Picard and SexyEars go to dead girl’s apartment, she uses banned and supposedly unreliable but actually probably very reliable and super useful Romulan technology to magically recreate particles so you see and hear ghost images of dead girl and her BF before they were killed. CSI: Romulus must be a pretty boring show.
It doesn’t work though cause some Romunlan agents have been in and “scrubbed” the place of particles. These are real pros.
She does hacker stuff with the also scrubbed phone records that is vaguely interesting and deduces that the “closer than a twin” sister is not on Earth.
Picard gets a house call from an old friend, his medical officer on the “Stargazer” I guess. Picard wants him to clear him for Starfleet duty. But uh-oh spigettios, he has something vague wrong with his brain that he knew “might be a problem in the future”. His strange dreams about Data are a symptom and it sounds like unpleasant Spock’s dad style death will occur. The doc will lie for him though and says Picard will be lucky if he dies “out there” instead.
Picard goes to starfleet HQ, steps out of what seems like a two way portal outside, there are a bunch of them in row people come out one way while people are also walking the opposite way and disappearing into them. No one walks into each other though even though I’m fairly sure they were all two-way.
Security dude does not recognize Picard.
Picard goes to Starfleet’s Chief Bitch Admiral, asks for a small ship to go do a vague investigation of Bruce Maddox (that scientist asshole) is using “Data’s neurons” to make new androids allegations. We owe it to Data to tend to his illegally created “children”!!!!!
Admiral has PMS even though she is too old, she chews Picard out for his tv interview and states that lots of Federation races were so pissed off about helping Romulans that they were gonna Brexit from the Federation and that was BEFORE they lost the shipyards, there was just no way the Federation could keep helping.
She tells Picard to F right off and go straight to hell. Not in those words but she did use the F word. Nechayev was never this mean to Picard!!
Picard has Blonde Science Chick over to his house, she picks up an Asimov book. Picard: “I never liked science fiction.” Haha how very meta.
He does her on the coffee table, hard. Just kidding. They have tea, and BSC says Dead Girl’s records were created out of no where 3 years ago.
Picard takes a flying “taxi” out to the middle of nowhere (why not beam? Why are there flying cars everywhere anyway) to some Black girl’s 25th century trailer, (Michelle Hurd, Season 1 of “Law and Order: SVU) she is pissed to see him, threatens to shoot, gun control failure? Finally some good news about the future. But he has Romulan intrigue and he brought a good vintage so....
She’s someone who can get him a ship supposedly. He doesn’t want to get any of his friends in trouble.
Meanwhile Admiral PMS calls up some Vulcan but Romunlan acting Commodore (I love than rank, glad they still use it) who must be Section 31 though they don’t say it, look into this Picard crap would you Commodore? Oh yes I will but of course there cannot possibly be Romulan agents on Earth.
Commodore chews out her crack underling, “her” team “killed that thing” (dead girl) without getting to interrogate it. Uh oh, section 31 is colluding with the Illuminati. Underling wants Picard dead, Commodore says hold up I’ll take care of him if necessary.
Underling is a Romulan in disguse. She makes a hologram call to her brother, Cumberbatch, and scolds him for banging the twin instead of getting info out of her “Where are the others”.
Twin sister, like dead twin, clearly doesn’t know anything on a conscious level about her nature or any “others”.
Jiminy Tap-Dancing Christmas, that is not Star Trek. This is dystopian darkness absolutely antithetical to Roddenberry’s vision. You look at TOS and say, “That’s a future to look forward to.” You look at Puke-card and say, “WTF ? Do. Not. Want.” This $hit makes the mirror universe look like sunshine and daffodils.
Doomcock’s newest video. He apparently REALLY gets under Cuck Kurtzman’s skin something fierce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJyzFNKBFk
HA! I’d pay money to see a video of Kurtzman’s meltdown.
It would be more entertaining than any of the scripted $hit he’s done.
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