I See Dead People: Dreams and Visions of the Dying

YouTube ^ | December 2, 2015 | Dr. Christopher Kerr | TEDxBuffalo

[Jamestown1630]

Freud thought that God and religion were ‘illusions’, and didn’t like Jung’s interest in religion, mysticism, and the paranormal.

Jung thought Freud was neurotic.

[Jamestown1630]

Why would it be deleted? The people posting here have seemed to be sincere individuals relating things that they’ve honestly experienced and wonder about.

No different from the cooking or gardening threads - just more fascinating, and often inspiring, content.

[SunkenCiv]

As I said, it's not all that rare for topics to be destroyed by ranting raving nutjobs. This is not getting that treatment, so, here we still are.

[Jamestown1630]

I think the calibre of the experiencers here would shut down ‘nutjobs’ pretty easily.

[reasonisfaith]

Near the end of his career, Freud expressed regret at not having delved more into the occult.

As for his thinking that belief in God is wish fulfilment, Freud apparently didn’t catch the fact that his own rejection of God was precisely a form of wish fulfilment.

[SunkenCiv]

Some nutjobs are chock full o' nuts, and a moderator has to come in and give him or her the old heave ho.

[Jamestown1630]

Another interesting difference was in their concepts of libido. Jung was often critical of Freud's tendency to attribute so much to the simple, biological sexual drive. Jung saw libido as a larger 'energy' encompassing much more.

Freud has always seemed to me (as uneducated as I am) to be much more materialistically oriented than Jung. Jung wanted to go beyond the material and explore every possible influence that has made us Human as opposed to merely Animal.

Interesting article on some of their differences:

http://exploringyourmind.com/10-differences-freud-jung/

“I am not what happened to me, I am what I choose to become.”

[bankwalker]

Here's a link to Century of the Self, a 4 hour documentary about Freud and his nephew and how their ideas were used to develop political propaganda, among other things.

Long but very well done. I wish it was required study in our school system.

[Jamestown1630]

Thanks. I'll watch it as soon as I have time.

Both of these men were pioneers - and pioneers often don't see the entire picture, and they often make mistakes. They are not to blame for the misuse - or misinterpretation - by later generations, of their ideas. They should be lauded for sticking their necks out, against the zeitgeist of their respective times.

(I mentioned previously some of the original scientists who studied parapsychology; many of them have been condemned on various grounds as well. But they were also pioneers.)

We have to judge the accomplishments of all of these men on their personal merits, and according to their own times. There is value in everything, if you view it dispassionately and as a 'jumping-off' position.

[Jamestown1630]

I was able to listen to some of this last night, and will listen to more as I’m able. I agree with you that it would be a good idea to require it in the school system, along with Vance Packard. (How, though, when the school system has so greatly become a mere propaganda machine itself?)

But I don’t think these uses of psychological awareness were new with Bernays and the rise of PR. We’ve had propaganda, ‘engineering consent’ and ‘subliminal seduction’ since long before Cleopatra barged up the Cydnus.

Propaganda can be used for good or evil, and psychology is neither; it can be used constructively or destructively. In the end, Individuals have to take responsibility for their own minds.

And of late, some attempts at these tactics have actually been hilarious - like ‘Pajama Boy’ to promote Obamacare; Al Gore dressing in Earth Tones (whether Naomi Wolf told him to or not); and Hillary Clinton trying to fake a Southern/AA accent and just coming across as a doofus :-)

(And let’s not forget Biden: “They’re gonna put y’all back in chains!”)

The recent crop of Democrats has not been very adept at this stuff...