Posted on 08/12/2019 7:35:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
Toyota, Ford plan to keep hybrids as core part of their lineups, showing split in auto industry
“If I had a dollar more to invest, would I spend it on a hybrid? Or would I spend it on the answer that we all know is going to happen, and get there faster and better than anybody else?” GM President Mark Reuss
Last week, Continental AG , one of the world’s biggest car-parts makers, said it would cut investment in conventional engine parts because of a faster-than-expected fall in demand—yet another sign the industry is accelerating the shift to electric vehicles.
Today, auto companies generally lose money on each electric car they sell, mostly because of the high cost of lithium-ion batteries.
VW and GM are focused on all-electric cars largely because of China, where new regulations require car companies to sell a minimum number of zero-emissions vehicles to avoid financial penalties.
or now, both hybrids and electric cars are more expensive to produce than comparable gas-powered vehicles. A hybrid system can add roughly $2,000 to a vehicle’s cost, while a fully electric version is an additional $6,000 to $10,000
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I can see some value in Electric/Hybrid vehicles.
Just don’t hold any illusions that they are good for the environment.
Traded in a 2013 - Hyundai Elantra (supposed to get 40 mpg and didn’t and Hyundai now now being sued for it) for a 2013 Prius-c.
I traded the prius-c in for a 2017 hyundai ioniq.
hyundai was giving ‘em away and I went from approx 53 mpg to approx 59 mpg with a bigger tank and better stuff on and in the car. I take the hit in the winter cold, but I get it back in the heat of the summer...currently running about 62 mpg.
should be my last car...
You know what else the gas-powered car can do that an electric one can’t? When you’re stuck in an electric car in winter traffic, you can decide which you prefer - getting home, or staying warm.
GM finally gets the Volt right and they stop making them.
They did the same when they stopped producing the V-6 Fiero GT.
I won’t ever have an electric or even a hybrid car... I have no quilt about that. I have the money for fuel, I’d rather enjoy a ride in my car than drink or gamble it away.
RE: Gas is $6 a gallon in Maine?
I always laugh my fanny off when I see claims of incredible savings (or saving the environment from left wing wacktards). They never count the cost of electricity to charge the car, nor the fact that increased use of coal results from it. Nor do they include the increased upfront price of buying the vehicle compared to a equally equpped petrol powered car, nor the cost of replacing the batteries. I’ve not found anyone or anywhere that can give an actual total cost comparison.
Plus the hybrid vehicles look like they run on soy milk.
But, it’s a free market, while we can keep it. So my hats off to any that feel they can thump their chest because of their ‘superior’ purchase choice.
“All electric cars are only viable for certain applications”
Towing 7500 lb. trailers for 1200 mi being not among their suitable applications.
And, BTW, the radical enviro Dems elected here in New Mexico last year have passed legislation that outlaws all fossil fuel electric generation by 2040. That in a state that is #3 in oil and gas production, provides billions in income, and funds over 35 percent of all state government including public schools. It’s positively insane how badly the population (always near #50 in education and income) has fallen for the man-made global warming/climate meme.
But I get my electric power from the nuclear power plant just a mile up the road. It has zero emissions and no CO2 release. Environmentalists love it!
Oh wait...
It’s the charging time. I can get enough fuel in my car to go 450 miles in 10 minutes.
This is true - but the energy has to come from somewhere. Is our current generating capacity up to this increase? What does it mean for the power grid? Some states (like California) are already approaching capacity with their electric grid.
No. This is America. The heirs of the first person to freeze to death in an electric car because its range was cut in half and no charging was available will sue the state they live in, every car manufacturer, and every supplier of electricity in the region because their father/mother/son/daughter froze to death and it must be everyone else's fault.
My 97 Jeep gets about 15 mpg..
But weighs over a ton and a half.
I wonder if they ever point out that each of these zero emission wonder cars comes along with an electric generation plant which can put huge amounts of pollutants into the atmosphere
When it comes to screwing out of state car companies, they are on it! From today’s print edition.
...”California will give the companies double credit for electric cars and fuel-cell vehicles while eliminating the requirement that they account for “upstream” emissions from electric production.
Even in California’s green-energy paradise, natural gas accounts for a third of electricity production. In most states like New Jersey and Massachusetts that have adopted California’s emissions standards, fossil fuels account for half or more.”
The Great California Mileage Con
Four car companies cut a sweetheart deal with Sacramento.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-great-california-mileage-con-11565554494
VW and GM are focused on going bankrupt..............
That's even faster than a Ferrari..................
I’m with you, a hybrid makes sense from a standpoint of a full time car for either a single person or a family. With the limited range of an electric car, they are not viable for many drivers. A family could have both an electric and an internal combustion powered car to address all possible trips requirements. Until an electric car can be recharged quickly and in as many location as the current internal combustion car, there will be buying resistance for many car shoppers. The other issue for may car buyers is the large premium for an electric car.
Sorry, but I question this guys math.
660,000 miles/52 = 12,692 gallons
660,000 /25 = 26,400 gallons
26400 - 12692 = 13,708 gallons
$82,500 /13,708 = $6.01 per gallon...
Unless this person has been buying gas at more than DOUBLE (and at times TRIPLE) the average retail for the last 20 years, there is NO WAY he’s saved 82,500 with hi prius’.
Reality is he has saved money on his gas bill, probably somewhere in the $20-$30 range, or less, when you actually figure out the true cost of gas over his life of having hybrids... Then when you figure in additional cost to buy the vehicles, etc... his savings shrink even further...
Yes, he may have net saved some dollars, but its NOWHERE near where he is claiming.
Yes, but when the battery finally dies on your Prius you are going to scrap it, because a replacement will cost more than the car is worth.
There are pluses and minuses to the equation for sure.
The idea that using gasoline to run a generator to power an electric drive is more efficient than using it to run a motor to power the wheels directly seems to violate the laws of thermodynamics.
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