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Pete Rose: Johnny Bench would never have made it to Hall of Fame 'if I wasn't born'
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| June 6, 2019
| Ryan Gaydos
Posted on 06/06/2019 11:38:11 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: Michael.SF.
Another time Pete was Pete was when he got ejected for knocking the umpire flying. He truly acted outraged and stunned and had to be held back from further violence. What a violent, sack-of-shiite, over-rated loser!
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:01:07 PM PDT
by
dangus
To: Michael.SF.
... And of course THAT was an EXHIBITION game!!!
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:01:45 PM PDT
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dangus
To: dangus
what is a good or acceptable CS vs Attempts?
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:02:57 PM PDT
by
morphing libertarian
( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
To: treetopsandroofs
Lance Armstrong is beginning the same quest earlier in life, haha.
I would agree of your assessment of Armstrong but only if the rest of the entire elite top European cycling community had been subjected to the same scrutiny and testing that Armstrong was by our own USADA.
Since they weren't, because they are all Europeans and not subject to our own country's laws, they all got a pass. I find the attacks on Armstrong the same witch hunt that is currently after our current president.......
If you're lucky to find any of Armstrong's TDF statistics that haven't been scrubbed from the internet, you'll find that he doesn't even rank in the top 10 of TDF stages won...........
The entire European cycling community is corrupt as hell but only the United States was willing to destroy the career of the only American who was able to compete on their terms..........
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:04:37 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
To: FatherofFive
No no. He’s retracted that lie. The current version of the tale is that he did bet on games he was involved with but he only bet on his team to win.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:04:55 PM PDT
by
discostu
(I know that's a bummer baby, but it's got precious little to do with me)
To: jazusamo
Because I'm the guy he knocked in a thousand times. Actually, Bench knocked Rose home a total of 166 times. Guess who the player was that Bench knocked home the most during his career? It was Bench, himself. Knocked himself home (hit a HR) 389 times.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:09:22 PM PDT
by
So Cal Rocket
(Task 1: Accomplished, Task 2: Hold them Accountable!)
To: jazusamo
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:09:25 PM PDT
by
mjp
((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
To: Dr. Sivana
>> If Rose were on the Braves, he wouldn’t have BEEN the lead-off batter. <<
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You’re surely not suggesting they would’ve used him at 3rd or 4th in order??!!!!
YOU DO NOT PITCH AROUND SINGLES HITTERS. EVER. THAT’S JUST ABSURD.
On the 1990s Yankees, Rose would’ve bat 9th. No, scratch that: 8th. They used 9th place for guys who can steal bases. No scratch that: there’s no way in Hell they’d ever stick a bat in the hand of a DH with a career slugging percentage of .409.
Career slugging percentages of Yankees’ 1996 1B and DH guys:
Cecil Fielder, .482 (.494 that year)
Tino Martinez, .471 (.466)
Tim Raines, .437 (808 stolen bases) (.468)
Darryl Strawberry, .505 (.490 that year)
Reuben Sierra, .450 (.403)
Yeah... a lot of those guys spent a lot of time ON THE BENCH. They sure as hell wouldn’t have let a screw-up like Pete Rose take their place in the order!
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:13:03 PM PDT
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dangus
To: dangus
Rose had a thoroughly mediocre on-base percentage. Bench was actually LESS likely to drive in runs because Rose batted in front of him. THATS a statistical fact. I dispute your fact. Rose played for I think 48 seasons, more or less. I may be off but it was lots and lots anyway. His numbers in his first few years weren't stellar and not in the last several seasons either. That waters down his career numbers for sure. But in his peak years, mostly with the Reds, Rose won three batting titles, came in second twice, and finished in the top ten a total of 13 times. Rose led the league in on-base percentage twice, and finished in the top-five eight times. He led the NL in hits seven times, and finished in the top five an 15, yes 15 seasons. Plus he led the league in doubles and finished in the top 5 14 times. He was on base and in scoring position a lot.
It is a fact that Rose was not a thoroughly mediocre hitter.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:14:20 PM PDT
by
pepsi_junkie
(Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
To: morphing libertarian
I’d say you should keep CS under one-third of attempts. League average is actually MUCH lower than that. Arizona is only 4 out of 36. Yankees are 7 out of 35. Royals lead the league in Caught Stealing: 21 out of 78.
(Yeah, I think most players should be more aggressive on the bases.)
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:24:17 PM PDT
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dangus
To: mjp
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:26:40 PM PDT
by
mjp
((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
To: treetopsandroofs
How bizarre of a post to which to respond.
Set an example and learn the language. Assimilate.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:32:30 PM PDT
by
coaster123
(Sex is not only a verb.)
To: coaster123
Good luck with that, let us know how it turns out!
To: dangus
I noticed you omitted a few of his records.
To: dangus
YOU DO NOT PITCH AROUND SINGLES HITTERS. EVER. THATS JUST ABSURD.
Pete Rose led the league in doubles repeatedly. There is space betweena singles hitter and a Dave Kingman-0style slugger.
Did you WATCH baseball in the '70s? If Rod Carew is at bat with a runner on second, yeah, he was pitched around.
Willie Randolph sometimes got pitched around, especially if Bucky Dent was on deck.
Rose wouldn't have been in the 3rd or 4th spot, but he might have been in the fifth spot on a different team.
To: jazusamo
Rose hung around for 2 years to break Cobb's record
HE wouldn't have made a triple A team they way he played
Phony record
Cobb could have played 2 more years if he knew that was going to happen
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:42:55 PM PDT
by
uncbob
To: riverdawg
Bench had lung surgery at age 25. He said he was never Johnny Bench after it, he felt his power really dropped off.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:49:38 PM PDT
by
fungoking
(Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
To: dangus
On the 1990s Yankees, Rose wouldve bat 9th.
I was talking about the '70s Braves who were 40 games out of first place. I never mentioned the '90s Yankees. Heck he probably would have batted 7th or 8th on the late '70s Milwaukee Brewers, one of the most potent lineups that never got much recognition due to no bullpen. On the '70s Yankees, they were heavily into the lefty/righty thing so guys like Paul Blair/Roy White/Gary Thomason were platooned. Rose was a switch-hitter. On the '70s championship Yankees tems, I would see Rose batting behind Reggie Jackson in the fifth spot, instead of Lou Pinella or Chris Chambliss (neither had much power or speed).
For lineup comparisons, I prefer to compare within eras as the game changes, and to keep it within the league due to the stupid DH the AL has. On the 77 Dodgers, Rose would have batted second (if he could have played shortstop, he wasn't displacing Cey or Garvey) as he was a good contact hitter, and didn't hity into a lot of double plays, but NObody was going to move Davey Lopes from the leadoff spot.
To: dangus
Wow! How many hate Rose post do you have on this thread?
Relax...deep breaths.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:53:58 PM PDT
by
fungoking
(Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
To: pepsi_junkie
The Philles sure didn't think so when the signed him. I think it was the biggest contract ever at the time.
They wanted his bat and more so his attitude to bring home a world series; which they did.
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posted on
06/06/2019 2:57:23 PM PDT
by
fungoking
(Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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