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Posted on 04/10/2019 10:11:03 AM PDT by romanesq
During the 2018 Midterms in the United States, strange signs started appearing at political rallies. Held up by non-descript attendees, the signs read simply, We are Q. For those Trekkers out there, you might be confused: no, these rallygoers were not making an oblique reference to the infamous Star Trek: The Next Generation character portrayed by John de Lancie. The group appeared from the fringes of internet chat rooms, such as on the website of 4Chan, a peculiar mixture of cyberpunks and various online misfits.
Q is derived from an anonymous poster on the internet forum, a source claiming to have a top secret clearance with the U.S. intelligence community. This person (or group of people) spun an intricate conspiracy theory that many Far Right activists on gonzo internet forums picked up and began disseminating to wider audiences online and in their communities.
The conspiracy goes like this: the real purpose of the Robert Mueller special counsel investigation was not to investigate Donald Trump, but instead to investigate Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and people like former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta. The QAnon conspiracy theory is far-reaching, with new pieces added with regularity, in the form of what Q supporters refer to as breadcrumbs. One such addition to the conspiracy theory last year was that the Mueller probe was also looking into the now-deceased Senator John McCain (R-AZ) for his illegal activities.
What is the ultimate end of the QAnon conspiracy; what does Mueller hope to achieve, according to them?
That part, like most conspiracy theories, is conveniently not knowable. The Mueller investigation, having ended in a whimper rather than the bang the Trump-hating Fake News was hoping for, should have been the end of the QAnon conspiracy theory. QAnon conspiracy theorists have simultaneously argued that the ultimate target of the Mueller investigation is either the Deep State of nefarious anti-American, globalist actors, or the aim is to pursue high-profile pedophiles in the United States government and in other powerful circles related to the government.
QAnons Pernicious Connections to Pizzagate
Now for the most pernicious aspect of the QAnon conspiracy theory. In 2016, conspiracists on 4Chan and other similar fringe messaging boards claimed that the emails stolen from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podestas (and subsequently made public by WikiLeaks) contained secret messages referring to a powerful ring of pedophiles who were using a local Washington, D.C. pizzeria as a base of operations to conduct their crimes. None of these claims were true. But, what ended up happening was that the highly irresponsible conspiracy theory triggered a mentally unstable man, who in turn took a gun to a D.C. pizzeria with intent to use it.
The source material for these theories is the vile, uber-fringe 4Chan and 8Chan. 4Chan was launched in 2003 as a place to share images and discuss Japanese anime. In fact, it was modeled on the Japanese anime internet boards, such as Futaba Channel. Over time, though, the already eclectic group of online personalities that 4Chan attracted devolved into something darker. It became a haven for crazed conspiracy theorists from both sides of the political divide. 4Chan also became popular among the white nationalist community, and also became a place for hackers and other criminalsincluding child pornographers. If there was a Hell on the internet, 4Chan was Hell.
Meanwhile, a similar website, created by gonzo software developer, Frederick Brennan, 8Chan was launched in 2013 as a response to what Brennan believed was the rise in authoritarianism, censorship, and surveillance on 4Chan. Despite the fact that 8Chan has become the 3,857th most viewed website in the world, with an average of 35,000 unique visitors per day and 400,000 original posts per day, it too has become mired in controversy. 8Chan, which has been billed as the more libertarian (though, perhaps libertine would be better) 4Chan, has apparently become a hub of international child pornography postings. This became such a problem that, in 2015, 8Chan was blacklisted by Google search. It is a profound understatement to claim that anything positive or good comes from these boards. Yet, it is precisely from sites like these that the Pizzagate and now the QAnon conspiracy theories emanate.
Alternative media figures, such as Mike Cernovich, have also furthered the Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracy theories. Some of these individuals have massive social media followings. With big internet names furthering the conspiracies, it was only a matter of time before disaster struck. In 2016, when the pizzeria shooting happened, several media outlets attempted to lay the blame at the feet of people like Cernovich. This only gave the Fake News Industrial Complex more fuel in their ongoing war against President Trump and the Right.
The very same group of internet Alt-Right activists and online forums that furthered the Pizzagate conspiracy have also spread the QAnon conspiracy theory.
Here are some of the other bizarre, totally inaccurate predictions that QAnon has made:
01/21/18 A flood was alleged to be coming. A flood consisting of various forms of media that I imagine were supposed to implicate somebody in something nefarious. Sadly, this flood never came.
01/21/18 Q makes some very certain claims about the Nunes Memo, which of course do not come remotely true when the memo is released a couple weeks later.
01/22/18 Q posts a confirmed fake Podesta email, then promptly deletes it. But not before his followers have time to notice. 02/09/18 Next week [Next week] was declared suicide weekend. Nothing came to pass.
02/21/18 Q predicts that the founder of Twitter is removing accounts because he and his Deep State friends are in deep trouble. Nothing came to pass.
03/15/18 Q declares March Madness and that the public will soon know. Nothing came to pass.
04/02/18 April was supposed to be a BIG month, full of happenings including but not limited to arrests, the release of the IG report, the wall, military start, and unsealed indictments. Nothing came to pass.
Where Does QAnon Go From Here?
Things have gotten even stranger for the QAnon conspiracists now that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has submitted his final report. While the report has not yet been made public, Attorney General William Barr has seen it, and he has issued a summary of the report.
AG Barr explains that Mueller has not proven any collusion or coordination between President Donald Trump, his top 2016 campaign staffers, and Russian intelligence. The focus of the investigation was Donald Trump and his 2016 presidential campaign. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Podesta, or even John McCain were not targets of the Mueller probe in any way as Q promised.
The fact that the QAnon conspiracy theory is tied in with the Pizzagate fiasco is bad enough. The more damaging part is that these cult-like actors link themselves to the Trump movement, despite the fact that no member of the Trump movement has anything to do with these insane theories. They are the outgrowth of a pathetic group who exist online, in the dark corners of the worldwide web. That they have attached their delusions to the Trump movement is unfortunate.
But, they do not represent and are not affiliated with President Trump, his supporters, or those who work for the president.
Recently, some Q supporters have insisted that certain pictures of President Trump and key advisers in the White House prove that they are, in fact, members of the Q conspiracy because their positioning makes it appear as though they are displaying subliminal messages about Q. These internet personalities claim to be supporting the President. Yet, consistently, their actions have shown that they are not allies of the President. They damage and besmirch the Trump movement with their irresponsible actions.
In that their actions, both directly and indirectly, aid those who would do damage to the Make America Great Again Agenda and see it fail. Whoever Q or QAnon may be, they are most decidedly not close to the President, they are not Conservatives, and with every post they make, they subvert the MAGA Agenda.
“Given that, why are you such a scaredy cat of Q?”
You don’t speak for me. I’m here adding further that Seb Gorka who knows, works with and is a friend of President Trump is flatly stating QAnon is a hoax.
Deal with it.
Could have saved yourself a lot of hassle to just post the summary to start with. I have watched it, and am considering it. Parts of it are not convincing, other parts may be so.
That video could probably be cut down further to make a better argument by removing some of the less compelling items. The “wonderful day” example is pretty shaky - he’s tweeted those words together 13 times. But some of the other examples, if they can be verified, seem difficult to explain without an insider Q. The wives call-out in particular is something that stands out, especially given that we still do not know what was in those letters.
Quite the opposite,
Trump has actually encouraged it.
The Q stocking in the Christmas video
Pointing out q supporters at the rallies
Signing VIP Anons picture Q+
And those are just the examples off the top of my head.
“Okay, that’s about the millionth time you’ve used “Russia Collusion Hoaxers” and “Qanon Hoaxers” in conjunction, as if they’re somehow similar..”
Yes, they are both similar in two respects:
a) they are both hoaxes
b) they are evil.
Not exactly sure what you’re trying to tell me but if I owned FR, I would have added ‘Qanon’ to the quick tabs. A few antiQainted/stale tabs could be deleted to make room.
That’s really gross!
S/B antiquated. Not sure what antiquainted is?
Moving on, take care!
So Sebastion Gorka says Q is a hoax,......Yet Pres. Trump has never denounced Q.
Really makes you wonder because Pres. Trump is known for calling out hoaxes.
Yikes, I checked the address and it looks like a small MailBox and Copier storefront next to a Safeway store. This "Anonymize, Inc." offers "Domain WHOIS Protection" so they are hiding who owns the MAGACoalition domain name.
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It sure doesn't read like somebody as smart as he is wrote it.
Anyway, I was responding to your quote where Gorka said something like "Q's actions aren't those of a supporter".
My question remains. Which specific actions of QANON are those of a "non-supporter". I can't think of even one that could even remotely be attributed to any anti-Trump sentiment.
I'd like to know what Gorka thinks he's talking about.
Are you sure you aren’t a democrat?
They are always expecting me to do thier work for them too :^)
I did say those are the more superficial ones there are ones way more in depth.
I suggest not talking anyone’s word for it and doing your own research.
But like I said that the MSM was so against it was what piQued my curiosity.
Are you serious? Did someone claim that? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Jack, good research. I’m not totally convinced in anything based on the sources.
I have to ask your opinion on McMaster though. What do you think about the timing of his father’s death and his sudden departure from the Trump agenda which resulted either in his firing, or resignation?
I’m not playing ‘gotcha’. My personal opinion is that his father was killed to send a message to him and he immediately complied with people that wanted him to change.
I think his father’s death was suspicious and not properly investigated.
Thoughts?
I watched the other video. I at least understand the argument, which is further along than I was at the start.
I’ll say this: I know well the perils of presuming too many things to be coincidence, and there are a lot of coincidences here. If it’s a LARP getting things right by chance, it’s quite the lucky one. On the other hand so few individual data points are substantive enough to hang a hat on.
Sometimes you can get an idea of whats true or not based on where certain posters on this site stand.
Just because you fear something, doesn't mean it's evil.
To the rabbit, the wolf is evil.
#IfYouCatchMyDrift
(hint: you're the rabbit in this scenario)
There are several spots in his article where Gorka gave away what appears to be a hidden agenda:
1. Denies pizzagate and pretends to legitimize the deranged shooter false flag
2. Uses typical anti-conspiracy theory terminology
3. Puts deep state in quotation marks
4. States Q subverts MAGA but doesnt explain how
That you would Admit You Associate with me In an open forum is proof enough /s
LOL!!!
There’s so much noise out there on the subject it’s an unreasonable ask for someone to research it on their own without assistance and try to make sense of it all.
I don’t actually care to do the research either, because I’m not going to once again get my hopes up for something only for Lucy to take the football away. I have to assume no cavalry is going to be riding to the rescue, while criminals of historic evil walk free.
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