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Priest criticizes teen who killed himself at funeral
New York Post ^ | Dec 14, 2018 | AP

Posted on 12/15/2018 4:10:34 AM PST by sparklite2

Maison Hullibarger’s father tells the Detroit Free Press that he asked the priest to stop talking during the Dec. 8 funeral Mass. But Jeff Hullibarger says the Rev. Don LaCuesta continued giving a critical sermon at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Temperance.

Hullibarger says some mourners left the church crying.

The archdiocese released a statement Thursday saying it’s sorry that an “unbearable situation was made even more difficult.” The archdiocese says LaCuesta will not preach at funerals “for the foreseeable future.”

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To: Mrs. Don-o
Then you know that according to the Order of Christian Funerals, there is never to be a eulogy at a funeral Mass (OCF 27).

Some folks might call this micro-managing; but then again; I can find no Scripture that states just WHAT should be said; or in what order it should be said; at a FUNERAL!

201 posted on 12/15/2018 2:53:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I know in reference to #196:

Don't tell us what we believe!!!


202 posted on 12/15/2018 2:54:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I have been to 3 catholic funeral masses in the last 10 years where eulogies were given by a family member at the mass. 2 different churches were involved.

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203 posted on 12/15/2018 2:56:52 PM PST by Mears
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To: ealgeone
"I have seen some Roman Catholics take the position that even then [in the case of the spouse's death)you cannot remarry without it being adultery."

Actually, I don't believe that. This is not, and never has been, part of Catholic marriage law, from the beginning until now. In some cases, the Church actually encourages it (1 Corinthians 7:8-9; 1 Timothy 5:14 ) and some of our canonized saints were remarried widowers (e.g. St. Thomas More, Blessed Adrian Fortescue, Blessed Humbert of Savoy who was widowed and remarried several times, etc.).

Any Catholic said remarriage of widows or widowers would be an outstanding ignoramus. Are they FReepers? Would you like to name names? I'll go after them myself.

About people spouting off inaccurately about Catholic doctrine: might you ask them to check the Catechism? Might you take that advice yourself? Hmm?

204 posted on 12/15/2018 3:00:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If it be possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No, you are self defining it. Scripture tends to focus on your treatment of others, not yourself.

I need explicit Scripture, not one’s personal opinion of the application of Scripture.


205 posted on 12/15/2018 3:01:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cults.)
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To: metmom

Depends on whether they are so uninformed they don’t know the basics of Catholic doctrine, an/or their dialog partner is so uninformed he doesn’t even notice that.


206 posted on 12/15/2018 3:02:16 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If it be possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I never said that praying for the dead changed their eternal destination. That is impossible.

Then why pray for them??

The Roman Catholic position is based on the non-Scriptural passage from 2 Maccabees.

207 posted on 12/15/2018 3:03:56 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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To: Yaelle; miss marmelstein
I appreciate you ladies.

You tend to reinforce first things first: like f'rinstance that Satan is ID'd as a death enthusiast, and God is pretty solidly pro-life.

208 posted on 12/15/2018 3:05:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If it be possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18)
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To: ealgeone

You have the insurmoutable disadvantage that you do not have the authority to define what is Scripture and what isn’t.


209 posted on 12/15/2018 3:07:56 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If it be possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18)
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To: Elsie

tl;dr


210 posted on 12/15/2018 3:27:56 PM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You have the insurmoutable disadvantage that you do not have the authority to define what is Scripture and what isn’t.

It's already been defined....it was long before Roman Catholicism showed up.

Besides, Roman Catholicism didn't finalize their canon until Trent.

211 posted on 12/15/2018 3:37:38 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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To: Jonty30
It's not a "personal application," as if it were an individual idiosyncrasy of mine.

A straight-out commandment like "Choose life, that you and your children may live" isn't good enough for you?

You need codicils, like "Lay off the booze and fentanyl"?

Any minimalism on this is anwarrnted. The general rule, attested to by Christ and all the prophets, is that what is wrong to do unto yourself, would be wrong to do to others, and what is wrong to do to others is wrong to yourself.

In short, what you do to your self and what you do others is equated.

The underlying reason is that we are not "isolated" "individual" "singletons". We are, rather, members of each other.

1 Corinthians 6: 12-20 says: “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and thatyou are not your own? For you have been purchased at a price. Therefore, glorify God in your body.”

So therefore, what you do to yourself is not just done "to yourself." It is a violation of God's rights over you, because you are members of Christ's body.

It's said repeatedly, so I take it that it's important!

Romans 12

Ephesians 4

Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of his body.

Colossians 3:15
As members of one body you were called to peace. (Is killing part of Christ's body peaceful?)

1 Corinthians 12:26
If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

And that's not just "my" "interpretation." It's the Gospel truth.

212 posted on 12/15/2018 3:39:06 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The problem might be that people have never before heard a traditional Christian funeral sermon dealing with sin, death, repentance and our need for a Savior, instead of participation trophies for the deceased.

You would be more correct to say some people have never heard a traditional Roman Catholic funeral sermon......

Besides, we don't even have a record of what the priest actually said, It could well have been a 2-minute warning against self-slaying, tucked into a 15-minute homily on the infinite tenderness of Divine Mercy.

Your continued defense of this Roman Catholic priest is abysmal.

See my post 99 along with this link.

From the family's account:

'It was his time to tell everybody what he thought of suicide, (and) we couldn’t believe what he was saying' said Jeff Hullibarger, Maison’s father, according to the Free Press.

'He was up there condemning our son. He wondered if he had repented enough to make it to heaven. He said suicide upwards of six times'.

'There were actually a couple of younger boys who were Maison's age who left the church sobbing,' Hullibarger said.

213 posted on 12/15/2018 3:43:48 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Yaelle

And I say again that in order to insult the Church, some folks here come pretty close to excusing the terrible act of suicide. There is a reason most great religions have proscriptions against it.


214 posted on 12/15/2018 3:44:07 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Elsie
A Catholic funeral is a formal public Liturgy of the Church.

If you want to sing "Danny Boy" and talk about your feelings for the guy, a very appropriate opportunity would be:

There are plenty of opportunities, and you should take them.

But redesigning athe official public liturgy of the Church is not a private right.

I don't think any church allows you to just use their worship area any way you please.

215 posted on 12/15/2018 3:44:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Elsie

AMEN!!!


216 posted on 12/15/2018 3:45:42 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mears
That was a liturgical irreguarity, then.

The time to do that, relative to the liturgy, would be after the dismissal.

For instance, I give the eulogy for both my father and my mother, after the "Go, the Mass is ended" and before the recessional hymn.

217 posted on 12/15/2018 3:47:42 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Then you know that according to the Order of Christian Funerals, there is never to be a eulogy at a funeral Mass (OCF 27).

Since I documented that then obviously i understand, but you must understand what I also do, that that your leadership can allow or sponsor eulogies, and that people tend to understand what laws mean by how the judges of them apply them.

Just one example among what i am confident are multitudes is the aforementioned notorious funeral of Ted Kennedy, in which there was only quite strong assurance conveyed left that Teddy K. was or would in Heaven, but there were three extended eulogies in the order of the Mass itself - one TK honoring testimonial by the priest (it was hardly a mere homily) in addition to two by children (with laughter). Then there wad the one by Obama, whenever that took place.

Transcript Read it and weep.

218 posted on 12/15/2018 3:50:20 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ealgeone
Please be sure you correctly attribute my quotes to me and not others. I didn't write the first paragraph. I will take credit for the second though.

Correct, as with my post above it, I usually use a different color font, but was in a rush. Sorry for that.

219 posted on 12/15/2018 3:52:27 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Then you know that according to the Order of Christian Funerals, there is never to be a eulogy at a funeral Mass (OCF 27).


You are right. Eulogies are never a part of a funeral Mass. I’ve attended many over the years. I suspect as either you or someone else said, that the attendees at this Mass were not regular church-goers or belonged to some suburban-style, happy-go-lucky church with girl altar-boys and lots of annoying modern hymns continually interrupting the Mass.


220 posted on 12/15/2018 3:52:33 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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