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To: Mrs. Don-o

No, you are self defining it. Scripture tends to focus on your treatment of others, not yourself.

I need explicit Scripture, not one’s personal opinion of the application of Scripture.


205 posted on 12/15/2018 3:01:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cults.)
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To: Jonty30
It's not a "personal application," as if it were an individual idiosyncrasy of mine.

A straight-out commandment like "Choose life, that you and your children may live" isn't good enough for you?

You need codicils, like "Lay off the booze and fentanyl"?

Any minimalism on this is anwarrnted. The general rule, attested to by Christ and all the prophets, is that what is wrong to do unto yourself, would be wrong to do to others, and what is wrong to do to others is wrong to yourself.

In short, what you do to your self and what you do others is equated.

The underlying reason is that we are not "isolated" "individual" "singletons". We are, rather, members of each other.

1 Corinthians 6: 12-20 says: “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and thatyou are not your own? For you have been purchased at a price. Therefore, glorify God in your body.”

So therefore, what you do to yourself is not just done "to yourself." It is a violation of God's rights over you, because you are members of Christ's body.

It's said repeatedly, so I take it that it's important!

Romans 12

Ephesians 4

Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of his body.

Colossians 3:15
As members of one body you were called to peace. (Is killing part of Christ's body peaceful?)

1 Corinthians 12:26
If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

And that's not just "my" "interpretation." It's the Gospel truth.

212 posted on 12/15/2018 3:39:06 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Jonty30
" No, you are self defining it. Scripture tends to focus on your treatment of others, not yourself."

OK, so therefore: please quote me, chapter and verse, where it says "Scripture tends to focus on your treatment of others, not yourself." Because I don't see that anywhere.

The only near-verbatim equivalent quote I can find, is "treat others as yourself."

So if you think it's OK to kill yourself, you would also think it's OK to kill others, since you treat others as yourself.

The error here is not acknowledging the Biblical teaching that you are not an isolated "self" at all. You and other other person are both members of one Body. Because neither you nor the other person belong to yourselves: you belong to Christ. Another commandment (1 Corinthians 6:20): "You were bought at a price. So glorify God with your body. "

Killing yourself would disobey this commandment.

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223 posted on 12/15/2018 3:56:35 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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