Posted on 12/15/2018 4:10:34 AM PST by sparklite2
Maison Hullibarger’s father tells the Detroit Free Press that he asked the priest to stop talking during the Dec. 8 funeral Mass. But Jeff Hullibarger says the Rev. Don LaCuesta continued giving a critical sermon at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Temperance.
Hullibarger says some mourners left the church crying.
The archdiocese released a statement Thursday saying it’s sorry that an “unbearable situation was made even more difficult.” The archdiocese says LaCuesta will not preach at funerals “for the foreseeable future.”
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Some folks might call this micro-managing; but then again; I can find no Scripture that states just WHAT should be said; or in what order it should be said; at a FUNERAL!
I have been to 3 catholic funeral masses in the last 10 years where eulogies were given by a family member at the mass. 2 different churches were involved.
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Actually, I don't believe that. This is not, and never has been, part of Catholic marriage law, from the beginning until now. In some cases, the Church actually encourages it (1 Corinthians 7:8-9; 1 Timothy 5:14 ) and some of our canonized saints were remarried widowers (e.g. St. Thomas More, Blessed Adrian Fortescue, Blessed Humbert of Savoy who was widowed and remarried several times, etc.).
Any Catholic said remarriage of widows or widowers would be an outstanding ignoramus. Are they FReepers? Would you like to name names? I'll go after them myself.
About people spouting off inaccurately about Catholic doctrine: might you ask them to check the Catechism? Might you take that advice yourself? Hmm?
No, you are self defining it. Scripture tends to focus on your treatment of others, not yourself.
I need explicit Scripture, not one’s personal opinion of the application of Scripture.
Depends on whether they are so uninformed they don’t know the basics of Catholic doctrine, an/or their dialog partner is so uninformed he doesn’t even notice that.
Then why pray for them??
The Roman Catholic position is based on the non-Scriptural passage from 2 Maccabees.
You tend to reinforce first things first: like f'rinstance that Satan is ID'd as a death enthusiast, and God is pretty solidly pro-life.
You have the insurmoutable disadvantage that you do not have the authority to define what is Scripture and what isn’t.
tl;dr
It's already been defined....it was long before Roman Catholicism showed up.
Besides, Roman Catholicism didn't finalize their canon until Trent.
A straight-out commandment like "Choose life, that you and your children may live" isn't good enough for you?
You need codicils, like "Lay off the booze and fentanyl"?
Any minimalism on this is anwarrnted. The general rule, attested to by Christ and all the prophets, is that what is wrong to do unto yourself, would be wrong to do to others, and what is wrong to do to others is wrong to yourself.
In short, what you do to your self and what you do others is equated.
The underlying reason is that we are not "isolated" "individual" "singletons". We are, rather, members of each other.
1 Corinthians 6: 12-20 says: “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and thatyou are not your own? For you have been purchased at a price. Therefore, glorify God in your body.”
So therefore, what you do to yourself is not just done "to yourself." It is a violation of God's rights over you, because you are members of Christ's body.
It's said repeatedly, so I take it that it's important!
Romans 12
Ephesians 4
Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of his body.
Colossians 3:15
As members of one body you were called to peace. (Is killing part of Christ's body peaceful?)
1 Corinthians 12:26
If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
And that's not just "my" "interpretation." It's the Gospel truth.
You would be more correct to say some people have never heard a traditional Roman Catholic funeral sermon......
Besides, we don't even have a record of what the priest actually said, It could well have been a 2-minute warning against self-slaying, tucked into a 15-minute homily on the infinite tenderness of Divine Mercy.
Your continued defense of this Roman Catholic priest is abysmal.
See my post 99 along with this link.
From the family's account:
'It was his time to tell everybody what he thought of suicide, (and) we couldn’t believe what he was saying' said Jeff Hullibarger, Maison’s father, according to the Free Press.
'He was up there condemning our son. He wondered if he had repented enough to make it to heaven. He said suicide upwards of six times'.
'There were actually a couple of younger boys who were Maison's age who left the church sobbing,' Hullibarger said.
And I say again that in order to insult the Church, some folks here come pretty close to excusing the terrible act of suicide. There is a reason most great religions have proscriptions against it.
If you want to sing "Danny Boy" and talk about your feelings for the guy, a very appropriate opportunity would be:
There are plenty of opportunities, and you should take them.
But redesigning athe official public liturgy of the Church is not a private right.
I don't think any church allows you to just use their worship area any way you please.
The time to do that, relative to the liturgy, would be after the dismissal.
For instance, I give the eulogy for both my father and my mother, after the "Go, the Mass is ended" and before the recessional hymn.
Since I documented that then obviously i understand, but you must understand what I also do, that that your leadership can allow or sponsor eulogies, and that people tend to understand what laws mean by how the judges of them apply them.
Just one example among what i am confident are multitudes is the aforementioned notorious funeral of Ted Kennedy, in which there was only quite strong assurance conveyed left that Teddy K. was or would in Heaven, but there were three extended eulogies in the order of the Mass itself - one TK honoring testimonial by the priest (it was hardly a mere homily) in addition to two by children (with laughter). Then there wad the one by Obama, whenever that took place.
Transcript Read it and weep.
Correct, as with my post above it, I usually use a different color font, but was in a rush. Sorry for that.
Then you know that according to the Order of Christian Funerals, there is never to be a eulogy at a funeral Mass (OCF 27).
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