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America’s Next Civil War Will Be Worse Than Our Last
The American Spectator ^ | 07/26/18 | H. W. Crocker III

Posted on 07/26/2018 7:41:23 AM PDT by Enlightened1

In the summer of 1862, just weeks before the Battle of Sharpsburg (or Antietam) — the bloodiest single day of fighting in American history — Union Captain George Armstrong Custer attended the wedding of Confederate Captain John “Gimlet” Lea at Bassett Hall in Williamsburg, Virginia, as best man. The Union officer was dressed in blue, the Confederate officer in grey, and Custer being Custer spent the next two weeks flirting with the Southern belle cousin of the bride, even joining her in singing “Dixie.”

At one point she told him, “You ought to be in our army.”

“What would you give me if I resigned my commission in the Northern army and joined the Southern?”

“You are not in earnest, are you?”

 

He wasn’t, of course. Custer was nothing if not loyal, and he believed that he was bound to the Union by the oath he had sworn at West Point, whatever his affection for Southern officers and their ladies.

Such gallantry seems unthinkable today, when members of the Trump administration are hounded from restaurants and theatres, and Confederate officers like John Lea, if they are remembered at all, are considered precursors of the German National Socialists, and their once famous and respected commanders like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jeb Stuart have their statues toppled and banished from public squares, their names stripped from public schools, and their memories spat upon and disgraced.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: america; civilwar; cw2; left; tas; trump
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To: Enlightened1

No way. The liberals can’t understand what bathroom to use, so I doubt they can stay focused on a war.


21 posted on 07/26/2018 8:17:31 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: DiogenesLamp

It won’t be safe to be within 200 miles of the big Urban hell holes. I am well within the chaotic death zone of Atlanta, when EBT goes down.

I really need to move my family out.


22 posted on 07/26/2018 8:17:45 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (what a mess we got ourselves into)
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To: Enlightened1

The Republicans beat the Democrats in the last Civil War (1861 - 1865). I expect they will beat them again in any future Civil War. If Antifa is representative of the liberals and Democrats, and the NRA representative of the conservatives, I’ll take that bet.


23 posted on 07/26/2018 8:19:09 AM PDT by bigred44
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To: redgolum

Wait, one of you anarchists please tell me what happens to the state governments and the governors of each state in a general collapse of the federal government? Do they just disappear? This lunacy. You people are insane..


24 posted on 07/26/2018 8:19:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Enlightened1

Our next civil war will not be a clash of opposing armies, but a violent and brutal wave of terrorist attacks, political assasinations and city destroying riots. I could see martial law being declared in some areas and US troops putting down the riots and restoring order. Imagine tanks surrounding the White House and Washington DC looking like post war Baghdad. Outside the larger cities well armed citizens, especially military veterans, will be defending their homes and communities. Rioters and looters will be shot on sight. CNN will be off the air due to cyber sabotage and left wing politicians will dare not show their faces. Elections will be tightened with US troops and National Guard on the ready at polling stations. Every citizen will have a national ID and illegal immigrants will be fleeing en mass. Leaders of the leftist rebellion will be rounded up and face war time justice under charges of treason and sedition. Many prominent leftist politicians, FBI agents and more than a few left wing journalists will be sumarrly executed or spend years in desolate prison camps. It make take at least a generation for things to resemble normal


25 posted on 07/26/2018 8:19:16 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Enlightened1
Thank you for posting. The article is a good lesson in traditional American values, based up proud traditons, mutual respect and personal responsibility.

As to the pessimistic conclusion? The writer pretty well proves his point. Thereal damage has already been done by those bent upon destroying the continuity of our heritage.

There can be no rational excuse for Leftist War On Social Continuity. None!

26 posted on 07/26/2018 8:19:27 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: TTFlyer
This so-called “union” will dissolve. Bank on it.

That is absolutely insane. Lunacy. If the Federal government fails the states will take over, the system was designed that way.

27 posted on 07/26/2018 8:21:12 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: redgolum

Think Lebanon.
The war won’t be regional. It will urban vs. rural and suburban.


28 posted on 07/26/2018 8:21:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Terrible article. Stupid.

The states can exist without the Federal Government but the Feds cannot exist without the states. Geez, and the is Free Republic? Do any of you even know what a republic is?

29 posted on 07/26/2018 8:23:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Little Ray
Think Lebanon. The war won’t be regional. It will urban vs. rural and suburban.

Bunk. Tell me if their is general collapse and rioting and anarchy on the east and left coasts what happens in Nebraska during all of this?

30 posted on 07/26/2018 8:25:37 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: castlegreyskull

Correct. I and others call it the War for Southern Independence for a reason. It was no more a civil war than what went on from 1775-1783. I am impressed that the author was not only fair but highly accurate in his historical characterizations of the two sides. That’s sadly, a rare thing nowadays.

This time, I could see some states seceding or even some areas of states as a seceding state had areas secede from it to remain in. I think that would be the best outcome. I cannot see another major armed conflict. We hold too much territory, are too numerous and too well armed for the Left to overcome.


31 posted on 07/26/2018 8:26:34 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: DiogenesLamp
One of the several major premises of my novel Return of the Gods, is that the side that rises first, in such a new conflagration, will lose.

If the writer (me, through a major character), is correct, George Soros has miscalculated very seriously. I invite your prayers that my premise is correct.

32 posted on 07/26/2018 8:28:03 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: FreeAtlanta
It won’t be safe to be within 200 miles of the big Urban hell holes. I am well within the chaotic death zone of Atlanta, when EBT goes down.

I really need to move my family out.

If I thought there was an imminent threat, I would very much urge you to leave the shadow of a big city. However, with Trump putting people back to work, and with economic prosperity giving more people a stake in normalacy, I don't perceive there to be any immediate danger. In fact, i'm optimistic that some things are on the mend.

Of course I am reminded of the fact that Leo Szilard got out of Germany on the very last day possible, before they closed all the borders to fleeing Jews.

33 posted on 07/26/2018 8:32:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: central_va
How can you disagree with these excellent points by the author? (BTW, the title of the article is terrible and not relevant to the article's theme).

Today, however, our divisions are so deep and fundamental that Americans cannot even agree on what marriage is or what a man or a woman is (which is pretty darn fundamental).

The lunatic self-righteousness of the Left (and yes, I’m afraid one must point fingers here), where disagreement is bigotry to be prohibited by law or even condemned and prosecuted as treason, is a consuming, destructive fire that will not be easily quenched, and cannot be reached by cool waters of rational argument.

So what to do? We can start by trying to stop the Left’s war on America’s past, which is poisoning the well-spring of our national identity.


34 posted on 07/26/2018 8:32:48 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I didn’t read it but the anarchy crowd is really all over this.


35 posted on 07/26/2018 8:34:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Enlightened1

Back then, after a bloody battle, according to my late father, union soldiers would give confederate soldiers drinks from their canteens and vice versa during the respite. I suspect that they were lending first aid to each other as well. They were presumably following Jesus’ command to love your enemies.

Likewise, in WWI, the Americans and Germans would have a temporary truce each Christmas so that they could celebrate this high holy day in their respective trenches. Then they would go back to shooting and, in the case of the Germans, gassing the next day.

Today, there is no such observance of a commandment. There will be no help from the other side during a respite, assuming anybody would even have a respite in CW II.


36 posted on 07/26/2018 8:36:07 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ( The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: Ohioan
One of the several major premises of my novel Return of the Gods, is that the side that rises first, in such a new conflagration, will lose.

I have been thinking that as well. The first side to openly use large scale violence against the other will cause the existing power structure (those capable of using violence) to go after them. Once they identify themselves as a sort of rebellion, then it will clarify the response for a lot of people.

If the writer (me, through a major character), is correct, George Soros has miscalculated very seriously. I invite your prayers that my premise is correct.

Well I think you are correct. I've written numerous times about American leftists making the miscalculation that what worked in Europe, Russia and China would work here. I have long maintained that America will be a shock for them, because people here have been raised to believe they have rights and independence, and they have never answered to a King or dictator.

American leftists are using the tactics and examples of revolutions among people who have never lived with American style freedom, and I think they are miscalculating seriously.

What worked in Russia and China will not work here, because Americans simply have a different mindset. At least they do right now. Let enough of these stupid and ignorant millenials take over, and perhaps then their manipulations may bear some evil fruit.

37 posted on 07/26/2018 8:39:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: castlegreyskull

If you want to win a modern civil war, start reading Giap and Mao. Not for their political points of view—but how to win a guerilla war. THAT is the only way the deep state will go down.


38 posted on 07/26/2018 8:41:18 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: castlegreyskull

If you want to win a modern civil war, start reading Giap and Mao. Not for their political points of view—but how to win a guerilla war. THAT is the only way the deep state will go down.


39 posted on 07/26/2018 8:41:34 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Enlightened1

The author is far too optimistic about his prescriptions for resolving the conflict. If that was all it took, we’d already be there.

The left is asking to be destroyed, and they won’t settle for anything less. And yes, this means physically if necessary.


40 posted on 07/26/2018 8:42:00 AM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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